Is Jenni Murray right about transgender?

Well, they will never be a "proper" woman I suppose, but there again, what is a "proper" woman. There are some athletes, are there not who are not "pure" feminine?
So where do transwomen fit in that respect if you see what I mean.
Does Jenni Murray say that some women are not women as well?

And who ultimately decides? A doctor?

Bags sorry if I misinterpreted Misadventure.

Anyway, back to Jenni - there are demands for her to be sacked from the BBC - I don't think they dare!

I think misad's ironic point is that people who thought Germaine Greer's opinion was illiberal were acting illiberally themselves when they prevented her from expressing her opinion.

It isn't a liberal-bashing thread, river. What misadventure said can be true without any thread-bashing taking place. She has made a simple statement. You can agree with it or disagree with it. The thread will still be intact.

I think she is right that some self-styled 'liberals' are trying to dictate what is allowed to be said. Otherwise why would Germains Greer, for instance, have been no-platformed? No-platforming is not liberal. That's why I used the phrase 'self-styled'.

I don't think this is meant to be a 'liberal-bashing' thread.

The dictators are some members of the transgender lobby who seem to be quite vociferous when faced with anyone who begs to differ - nothing liberal about them.

Its a sorry state of affairs when 'liberals' are dictating that opinions are not allowed.

I also agree with Jenni Murray and she was brave for saying so in public - no doubt she'll suffer for it.

I agree with her too. x

I totally agree with Jenni and why shouldnt we have the right to say it ? That is a statment of fact not fiction. When Germaine Geer made the same remark as Jenni the snowflake student population had a hissy fit and demanded she retract the statement or be banned from speaking at Cardiff Uni.

Germaine Greer was no-platformed at Cardiff University for saying the same thing.
I suppose it depends on your definition of woman. If it's a biological definition then it would be someone born with female sex organs.
That's then rather cruel to someone with a congenital or developmental abnormality who looks and feels female.

I think what Jenni Murray has said is perfectly reasonable. Whether she's right is another matter entirely and I don't think we have enough information/knowledge yet to know. The point is that she's not wrong. It's a point of view. She's allowed to have a point of view that some people don't agree with and to express it openly.

Maybe there is no right or wrong about such things. Maybe it's all a bit confused and fuzzy. Like most things.