Is Jenni Murray right about transgender?

If someone flees from an abusive situation, I suspect that some of them are more jumpy around men generally?
I presume that is why womens refuges in this country are still for women only, presently?
Or am I wrong on both counts?

So now this poor human being who is in the middle of transgendering AND homeless is the baddy

Where does it say that?
It isnt really an either or situation is it?

or understand that they are in no danger from the penis of someone on female hormones

are you guaranteeing that?

So now this poor human being who is in the middle of transgendering AND homeless is the baddy? And the women who couldn't emphasise (or understand that they are in no danger from the penis of someone on female hormones) and broke a written agreement are the victims?

Yes, she ought to have kept her mouth shut to the media especially if she was fleeing an abusive relationship and didn't want to be found. But her lack of sympthy (or was it for cash perhaps?) means she's out on the street. I'm sure had she stayed calm and rational a solution would have been found as soon as another bed became available.

Not all feminists are 'man haters' Lumpy . Do you never take a pause and consider it from the other person's perspective?

Why am I even bothering?

I understand the sentiment, but does one abusive male partner make all men abusers?

According to wiki in Canada the word shelter and refuge are interchangeable, plus Another client named Blaine was also staying at the shelter. She recently fled from an abusive relationship and says she’s uncomfortable with a transgender person staying at women’s only facility.

So one of the women was there because she was fleeing an abusive relationship.

Still think that she should have kept her mouth shut?

I read it thank you LSP and it appears that this is one "chain" of women's refuges, not necessarily standard practice across Canada and although I may stand to be corrected.
The news agency /internet source however at first glance would make the Sun (sorry Sun readers) look like the Guardian, with its "cutting edge" stories -Amal's "baby bump", "man says he bought muffins at the Okotoks Costco and found part of a metal bolt baked inside one of them " (now how's that for a punchy headline?) Kate's (Middleton not Hopkins) most beautiful Birthday etc etc etc So I think one could be confident of finding a shock, horror story there.

I just checked my post, I sated that it was a women's refuge and it is a women's refuge, I didn't say it was for dv victims.

The link takes you to a written article and an interview with the women, fairly transparent really.

Do you think that homeless women should have to share with men then? I think it's terrible that two women are now on the streets because they have spoken out. Obviously you think that they should have kept their mouths shut, lots of people want women to keep their mouths shut about this.

So they ought to have kept their mouths shut and not have given press interviews

No they didnt.
Not keeping quiet about things, doesnt change things.

So they ought to have kept their mouths shut and not have given press interviews.

And next time don't try to bend the truth by pretending this was a Woman's Refuge

The two women really are homeless now aren't they.

Just a correction to your last link Lumpy this was a woman's Homeless Shelter not a refuge specifically run for victims of domestc violence.

Everyone was clearly having a great time and no one was being labelled. I think that's exactly how it should be.

Amen to that

As I walked through the local school grounds a couple of days ago, taking a shortcut, one of the younger classes was clearly having dressing up time and, as it was hot and sunny, most of them were playing in the playground. There was a boy wearing a pink princess dress and golden shoes with little heels, there was a girl dressed as a fearsome pirate, there was a child (a girl, I think but am not sure) wearing a frilly gypsy blouse and camouflage pants and sundry other mixed-and-not-always-matched costumes. Everyone was clearly having a great time and no one was being labelled. I think that's exactly how it should be.

I agree with several posters points about having been perhaps tomboys as young children....I as a small girl decided I didnt want to wear pink at all. My favourite colour was and is green, and any dress for parties etc until I was about 10, had to be lavender, blue or green.

I wonder what would have been made of that if I had grown up in these times. Green and blue are still my favourite colours and I have been married to a man twice! My sister liked wearing pink so that was ok.

Iam64, your first and third paragraphs are almost exactly what I could say, so thank you for writing them for me! (I don't have a 6'5'' nephew, so couldn't write your second paragraph.) I loved my first pair of trousers (or slacks, as they were called) and my hand-me-down shorts, which actually had a front zip fly - unheard of for girls in the fifties, and I did get strange looks.

Thank goodness we didn't have the pressure of people wondering if we needed hormone treatment! This whole thing has got out of hand at the moment, although I'm sure the pendulum will swing again.

Most liberals don't realise the effect their policies have on women though. they have a liberal agenda that benefits men and harms women. I am pro Nordic model whereby the prostitute is innocent and the punter is the criminal. This model makes life easier for prostitutes but sends the message that women are human beings and shouldn't be for sale. Most liberals just want to decriminalise prostitution, they don't think about what message that sends out, women are the sex class, women are for sale.

the same with this mess, women kicked out of a women's refuge to make room for men. Misogyny is rife on the right and the left, the right through sheer bloody mindedness and the left because they are drunk on Kool Aid!!!!

Canada has become quite liberal. Many like Justin Trudeau for his liberalism. Him, or his party is liberal on drugs as well.

Spoken out, not put!

women have spoken out in Canada where these laws have passed. They are in a women's refuge and have to share with a man, in one case the same room.

Both women who have spoken put about their discomfort have been kicked out of the shelter.

This is so, so wrong.

Whoputthecatout - thanks. When I was eight, I was given my first pair of trousers, hand me downs from one of my grannies more radical friends granddaughter. I wore trousers in the winter and shorts the summer at every opportunity. I didn't like being squeezed into frocks for family occasions, I suspect because I was long and skinny and felt out of place. I did have dolls as a little girl but found playing out with the boys, or in mixed groups was so much more fun than hanging out with the girl groups. I was described as a tom boy. I have three children and have been happily married for many years. I've always had heterosexual relationships

My nephew loved dolls and was boought a pram to push his favourite soft toy in. He is now 6'5" and in very 'male' identified employment.
I have male gay friends who knew they were gay from around age 8. Many of my gay women friends didn't come out/acknowledge they are lesbians until much later in life.
One of the places I was employed had a male to female transgender woman. In the course of employment I have known many people experiencing confusion or unhappiness about their sexual orientation.

I ramble on about these issues in an attempts to appear fairly ordinary in my approach to sexuality. The idea that those of us who speak from a feminist perspective are male hating, obsessed etc is just not on. The young women in my family and friendship are 'equal' in a way my generation just wasn't. Despite this, they face difficulties in returning to work after mat leave, many of them are in similar management positions to their male friends or partners, but by their early 30's are earning about £10,000 a year less. They still seem to do the bulk of the emotional and practical care for their children, despite loving relationships with partners - it just falls to women in most cases. So, forgive me if I feel that a man with a penis who identifies as a woman, doesn't know the half of it.

When I was little I was a so-called tomboy. Trousers, short hair, into Eagle comics, train sets, risky activities. My family and friends just accepted me.

I fear that had I been born now there would be general angst about my clothes, activities and boyishness and I might have found myself at the Tavistock Clinic being prescribed potentially dangerous puberty blockers. I grew up into a heterosexual woman, married over 50 years with children and grandchildren.

I dread to think what is going to happen to some of the children today who are like I was, with the trend of transgenderism becoming almost a fashion statement with many schools now having at least one, often more, pupils who have decided they want to be the opposite sex.

Oh, and about equality. I've always battled through and got where I wanted in a largely man's career because I was cussed and took no prisoners.But it should not be necessary to do well in spite of being female.

I always says that when mediocre women are promoted to the same degree as mediocre men, then we will really have attained equality

thatbags those quotes are bollocks! I am amused at the convoluted invented vocabulary to say nothing very much!

Understood that PamelaJ1. Think perhaps it was easier for us when we grew up although harder for anyone who thought they were in the wrong body. It is much more complicated now with so many decisions to make and so much pressure on all concerned. I think one thing I am now aware of is that any transgender person is someone's DC and someone's GC and that this affects the whole family.

Re the 5 year old who wanted a boys haircut. I went to secondary school with a girl who had hair like a boys and walked and talked like boy. She loved my long hair and sometimes called me darling and would try and carry things for me. I don't think I took much notice of this as in those days I didn't realise the implications.
Apparently no one filled her with hormones either.
I met up with her a few years ago at a school reunion. She is a happily married mother and grandmother, although she was still wearing a trouser suit that looked more like a man's suit.

Trisher I didn't mean you are like my sister. I meant that my sister sounds like your friends 5 yr old!