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My reply was a Ana.

Using the kind of legislation enacted in the WW11 you could.

That said, I am not in favour of this. I would rather change the law that around someone abroad buying property in the UK to discourage the practice.

Quizqueen But she did! "^. . . . it would nice to see the Queen felt she should pay a visit.^" did you mean "was" not "would"?

We seem to suffer from emotional incontinence these days. I think the Queen got it absolutely right. I feel sorry for Theresa May as I don't for a minute think she's cold or uncaring , just more reserved than people like or understand. Were all different in the way we deals with things and no one has a monopoly on caring. I detest the mindless pampered celebs who need to get in on the act and try to make grief political

Yes, there's a difference in that the properties you're talking about, Wilma, are actually owned by someone, whether they live abroad or not. I agree that it's scandalous that there are so many empty, but they can't just be taken over.

I shouldn't use your political knowledge in a quiz, quizqueen.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/19/kensington-chelsea-council-has-274m-in-reserves-grenfell-tower-budget-surplus

"The Conservative council responsible for the tower block where at least 79 people died in a fire described by the mayor of London as preventable has stockpiled £274m of reserves and offered rebates to residents paying the top rate of council tax.

According to the latest accounts, the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea ran a budget surplus, which Labour councillors have claimed was being used as a slush fund to bribe voters with a rebate close to elections.

A draft statement of Kensington and Chelsea’s accounts for 2016-17 disclosed that the council has an “AA” credit rating and a financial standing described as robust, with “usable reserves at 31 March 2017 of £274m (£300m at 31 March 2016)”."

That's not true quizqueen. The properties Jeremy Corbyn is talking about are unoccupied properties bought as investments by people who live abroad. These properties are empty all year round. There is a difference.

As far as politicians are concerned, they are just after more votes especially as the other side have been blaming the government even though the council concerned in the fire area is under Labour control. I certainly wouldn't want Jeremy hugging me but it would nice to see the Queen felt she should pay a visit. Mr Corbyn thinks that rich people should give up their homes to rehouse victims but I haven't see any reporting of Labour councillors, politicians or Labour voting luvvies offering space in theirs!

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Trisher you are right about the twin towers. It was estimated between 14000 and 19000 people were in the building at the time of the attacks - a large margin of possibility in itself. Yet reports quoted as high as 100,000. In the end just under 3000 people died, including the terrorists. That's a tragic number, but it does highlight the need for accuracy for anyone with a personal interest.

Elegran if we were discussing something that is factually based, I might think differently, but all this thread does is show just how broad the band if touchy feely-ness (sp?) is.

Nick Paget-Brown agrees with you, Elegran. Far too much emotion from people involved.

skwawkbox.org/2017/06/19/video-rbkc-chief-claims-volunteer-efforts-to-vindicate-council-grenfell/

"Can't we just accept that we're all different and nobody is right or wrong?" That seems to be difficult to universally accept. There is a lot of "I would do it this way, so I shall lay guilt on those who don't" about.

But in most disasters- e.g the Twin Towers the media tend to exaggerate the numbers- 14000 was given as a possibility then. The media have remained remarkably subdued about the whole thing and only people in the area seem to be saying how high the numbers may be.. And for the last time I am not suggesting a cover up simply a manipulation of information. The numbers will come out, but how and when is another question. Did no one see how angry the residents were the next day? You don't want people behaving like that in Kensington do you?

I find the certainty of some posters on this thread (and others) unsettling. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but please remember that is what they are. Not facts.

It has been obvious for days that some victims will have been reduced to ashes. That's why the police have said since the early reports it may never be possible to identify all the victims.

The recovery of the remains of many victims will need careful inspection by a forensic science specialist.

Getting it right has to be the priority.

I haven't seen any demands for public demonstrations of emotions.

And to those of you who have used George Michael as a good example of a celeb doing good deeds anonymously, if people act anonymously how do you know others are not doing the same - even though we have seen them in the last week?

Can't we just accept that we're all different and nobody is right or wrong?

A cover-up is impossible, too many people knew the inhabitants of the tower, they weren't living in segregation.

Conspiracy theories are well-loved, but not always based on reality.

Im not a fan of celebrities but they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Adele was photographed by a bystander she didn't go there with cameras. If they publicly give money, they are cashing in on opportunity and if they don't they are mean and selfish. None of us knew how much George Michael gave away of his money until after he died. What I can't stand is when they think their voice should be heard above all others

Who the hair-oil is ignoring them? The media isn't. Just saying that the police will compile their own numbers, their own list, of those they know have died. They will doubtless have taken statements from everyone who has something to say, and will be collating them all along with other data.

Wash your mouth out!

Don't be so silly...how old are you?

Oh God save us all from Lily Allen, forever in the news for her pronouncements, the raison d'etre of the ex Bedales warbler these days seems to be that of cranking up a class war instead of assailing the public with her reedy voice, Adele she aint! In the aftermath of the 2015 General Election she tweeted something along the lines of "don't want to stay in this Fascist country anymore" strangely she's still here was rather hoping she might have de camped to a country where she finds the brand of socialism more acceptable to her such as Cuba or Venezuala.

In the meantime, her speculations of a cover up regarding how many died in Grenfell Tower is hardly helpful, certainly not to those who may still be hoping their loved ones are still alive. I believe a Syrian family thought to have perished have now turned up safe and well which is one small piece of good news amid this awful tragedy.

Okay then, ignore the residents, just like the council.
Who's a bloody drama queen, Ana?
Wash your mouth out!

The locals can say who they think are missing, the police and other official bodies have to say who they KNOW are missing.

Drama queen...

No names, by the way, just numbers.

skwawkbox.org/2017/06/19/heartbreaking-video-as-grenfell-residents-count-out-their-true-toll/

4 minutes 41 seconds of your day to watch Grenfell Tower residents saying how many people they think are missing.
Or would you rather spend that time attacking me - again?

What a very peculiar way to interpret roses' post durhamjen.