Displaying emotions

What happened, Annie?
Why do you have to be so bitter about everything?

The windsors have had a life time to get it right

So Lilly Allan - who ever she is has given the public the number of dead

I will stick with the way it has always been done , officially , I just don't think the council are going to smuggle bodies out after dark but works as a conspiracy theory I suppose

Yes, very unbritish! I can't bear all this media circus, crying, singing, lighting candles...just get a grip! I can't stand the stupid 'celeb' pretending to care, making money for themselves really. Crowd funding g yuck! Yuck! Yuck!

I agree,Sheilasue.
Diana would be proud of the way he's turned out.

The queen is the only one who gets it right, she's been there for so many people these last few weeks.
Lovely photo of Prince William hugging a poor desolate lady, he looked absolutely shocked and he said he is going back and he will.

Did you see the interview with George Clarke, the architect.
He said that no way should a building being refurbished last year have gone up in flames like that.

The conclusion of most people who have knowledge of the block seems to be that it will only rise and will possibly be over 150. This was a number first circulated immediately after the fire by Lily Allen (who I can't say I like), but no official estimate has been released, only a slowly rising confirmed.

Is anyone able to tell me exactly how 'the public' demands people show their emotions? How are these demands manifested?

I keep wondering if it's a media-led thing; we i.e. the public - are told this is what's happening.

They have lists of residents. Those lists might not be accurate as there may well have been some unrecorded family members or friends also occupying or visiting some flats and some residents may not have been at their flats, but at least it would give some idea of basic numbers.

Sorry ignore that! have to also subtract no. of survivors, don't know if there is any register of who they are that would provide a count|?

Surely it must be possible to give a rough estimate

no. of occupants - people in hospital

I'm not using human suffering Anniebach I am pointing out that there have been other disasters where bodies were unrecognisable, or unrecoverable, but there were estimates and possible figures given by the authorities immediately. Now it seems to be local people and celebrities who are giving more accurate possible totals and asking why this is so. You only need to read a few of the accounts to know that there are greater numbers.

The bodies will be burned to a cinder, some would have held loved ones close, their corpses will be as one , they will not be laid out in a line for a head count, I think these posts suggesting dark plots are nasty, and accusing the police and firemen of being part of a cover up.

Try other ways to get people to vote your way trisher not use this human suffering to score points against a council.

This fashion for laying elaborate bouquets of flowers at or very near to the spot where someone has had an accident or even died - how many would participate in this copy-cat activity if tv cameras, news presenters and media photographers weren't present?

I suspect the majority of those shedding theatrical 'tears' are seeking out what Andy Warhol accurately described as their "15 minutes of fame"......

devongirl you may think so, but the mood immediately after the Tower fire was certainly not one of respect or sympathy, but one of anger and indignation. Holding vigils doesn't effect social change at all. Pushing the K&C council to allow the occupation of empty properties was certainly one of the demands being voiced, but it is gradually fading into the background. One might also be very concerned about why the death count is being so slowly increased. Usually the authorities will announce an approximate count, in this case other people have posted much larger figures but the authorities continue to only announce confirmed figures- hoping to soften the effect?

People who come out with trite phrases and those who stand silent are surely trying to show empathy, solidarity some kind of kinship with those directly affected. What are we supposed to do, just carry on as if nothing's happening?

Me, I'm fed up with the 'No words' expression. But nevertheless I acknowledge what they're trying to do.

Language can be so limiting in these dreadful situations.

People still go to church trisher, the numbers have dropped but the churches are packed when disasters strike , it is a built in need in people

Not everybody likes or admires 'celebs', but some do, particularly younger people. So if seeing one of their favourites gives someone a bit of cheer at a dreadful time, then I'm all for it.

Bluebell, you obviously haven't read the thread

Wrong trisher, it was Jen who brought her hero Corbyn into this thread ,

"My thoughts are with the people...” When my daughter was injured in the King's Cross bombing, and Tony Blair said "My thoughts are with the families...” , it meant a tremendous amount to me. I too had always felt it was a trite way to begin, but if you are one of the families, it means a lot.

trisher I beg to differ, in that I think there is a place for both showing respect/empathy AND addressing underlying social issues, I don't feel there is any conflict there and both should be happening.

Well as the OP has broken her stipulation about "No politics" and I have just seen people standing in silence for the people killed in Grenfell Tower here's a consideration. All this public demonstration of feeling is in fact a way of forgetting about the awful effects austerity has had on the poor and the vulnerable, about the outcome of our interference in the Middle East and generally a way of deflecting public outrage. It is in fact another way of pacifying the population, much like Marx referred to religion as the "opiate of the masses" it stops any real radical action. People used to go to church and sing hymns to make them feel better now they stand about weeping. I expect to be shot down in flames, but I can't see how standing in silence helps anyone and I'm afraid it deflects those who were so angry about what has happened and who might hold those responsible to account.

I think we forget celebs are people too and may have links with the area I ve no love for Branson but I think Adele does do a lot for charity and I think ( me included) sometimes underestimate how much some of the celebs do give to charities I didn't realise how involved George Michael was until after his death
Not being a Diane fan I thought what happened around her was way over the top and got quite nauseating and I do think things have change since then I tend to think a bit practically and think of all the thousands of pounds of money the bouquets cost to just die and whither
I think it's up to each and everyone to get comfort in whatever way they can and to your question ......do the public have the right to demand people show their emotions publicly I don't actually understand as I don't know who has demanded this of anyone ?