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Anniebach Sun 18-Jun-17 10:10:32

Difficult to word this . No politics please

Have we become too touchy feely? Too American - I feel you pain .

Remembering the Diana hysteria, Charles was uncaring father and husband, queenie very lucky Balmoral wasn't stormed and she was given a public hanging .

'Your people need you' 'show us you care'

Charles Spencer the adulterer and like his father a bully to his wife. He was applauded for a sentimental speech, not forgetting he first blamed the press then switched to the windsors.

I didn't need queenie, who did?

The same is happening now.

Why the need for public display of emotions?

This is not to lay blame for Diana's death or what is happening now, just wondering if anyone thinks as I do, I don't need celebrities or politicians or royals to do a public display of - I feel you pain .

Hope we are spared another rewording of Candle In The Wind

Why do we need this? I really am puzzled

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 22-Jun-17 23:01:03

I also disagree with those saying you can't feel another's pain. We can see with our eyes and hear with our ears the pain of another person. Those observations can translate into feelings.

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 22-Jun-17 22:57:23

Thanks, I was just checking before commenting. I have never ever heard that phrase used in any serious context. Friends might say it to each other in a sarky or sassy way when they are sharing an experience, usually funny or annoying, but never in the context we have at the moment. Americans are more likely to say they are sorry for your loss. If you don't know the deceased, personally I don't mind that phrase.

Eloethan Thu 22-Jun-17 22:45:12

If May had made the comment about feeling someone's pain, would you be making such an issue of it anniebach? Presumably you think the "deeply saddened" statement she made was an adequate response to such a horrific event. I found it a rather formal and unnatural turn of phrase and I wonder if the people who affected found it more comforting than someone offering a more personal approach.

Anniebach Thu 22-Jun-17 22:03:20

m.youtube.com/watch?v=db7NpBBULVU

Anniebach Thu 22-Jun-17 21:55:23

The earliest I can find it recorded is by Bill Clinton 1992

rosesarered Thu 22-Jun-17 21:52:55

'I feel your pain' Wilma....... another US import, meaning I empathise with you, sometimes merely I sympathise, or agree with you.

Anniebach Thu 22-Jun-17 21:51:33

I feel your pain, it isn't British

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 22-Jun-17 21:31:15

Annie what are you saying is an American phrase?

Anniebach Thu 22-Jun-17 21:20:30

I disagree, and you too are arguing are you not? It's an over the top American phrase I would say the same no matter who said it, what is wrong with - I am so deeply sorry , it has suited this country for generations,

durhamjen Thu 22-Jun-17 21:12:09

I find it quite sad that you need to argue about this, to take away from people their feelings on what they feel.

There have been lots of bits of research to show that people can feel other people's pain, but I don't really want to reduce it to that. Find out for yourself.

Jalima1108 Thu 22-Jun-17 21:08:05

No, we cannot experience the raw grief they must be feeling. We may know what it is like, empathise, sympathise, feel the anguish of someone trying to escape or trying to save their child; we know what grief is like from our own experiences but it is theirs, not ours.

Anniebach Thu 22-Jun-17 21:06:21

Empathy , pity, sympathy, sorrow, we can all feel these because they are our own emotions, we cannot feel another pain, if a hear of someone grieving I can feel deep sorrow for them but I cannot feel or experience their emotional pain, it's their pain.

trisher Thu 22-Jun-17 20:40:05

You used the word "empathy" *Annie", are you now saying there is no such thing?

Anniebach Thu 22-Jun-17 20:34:53

You can claim what you wish, but it is impossible to feel another persons pain, but I accept you would claim black is white to defend Corbyn,

durhamjen Thu 22-Jun-17 20:21:52

Agreed, trisher. I never felt that I needed to fall off a ladder to feel my husband's pain. I could see it and feel it every time I looked at him.

trisher Thu 22-Jun-17 20:18:06

And as he obviously felt empathy Annie he felt their pain

empathy-the feeling that you understand and share another person's experiences and emotions : the ability to share someone else's feelings.

He shared their pain that is empathy.

Anniebach Wed 21-Jun-17 18:59:03

Yes I am sure all of us felt the same, we can feel, sympathy, empathy, sorrow, anger, but we cannot feel another persons pain,

whitewave Wed 21-Jun-17 18:58:06

Lovely chap

Riverwalk Wed 21-Jun-17 18:54:37

I don't know about feeling others' pain but people can show sympathy and say a kindly word - if I were involved in some terrible incident I'd like to think that an MP, local politician, etc would turn up and show some genuine interest.

Just back to pain, I think you can feel some pain - I'm sure all of us have imagined how it would be if we were in that tower block, or even worse, if that were our grandchildren seen waving out the windows. My stomach lurches every time I see pictures of that burnt blackened shell.

The late Tony Benn lived a few streets away from Grenfell Tower - I'm sure he would have walked around to meet survivors and volunteers and they would have been glad to see him.

Anniebach Wed 21-Jun-17 18:46:37

Your understanding of communism and my understanding of it would be sooooo different Whitewave , same as defining socialism, I am a socialist but according to some here I am a Tory supporter

whitewave Wed 21-Jun-17 18:43:26

annie you misunderstand me. I know what I understand by the term communism, but your use of the word seems so different to my understanding that I wondered what you understand by the term.

Anniebach Wed 21-Jun-17 18:40:51

Whitewave, if you don't know what communism means may I suggest you read up the history

Anniebach Wed 21-Jun-17 18:38:37

I know he knows them Jen but he does not and cannot feel their pain , it is such a silly statement and it irritates me no matter who spouts it , so theatrical

whitewave Wed 21-Jun-17 18:37:50

Yes but what do You understand by the term Communism? I can't really understand what you mean by the term

Anniebach Wed 21-Jun-17 18:35:32

A person who is a member of the communist party supports communism and this ex member defended Stalin ,