Ant and Dec- will it now be just Dec? Celebrity gossip alert

It's not as black and white though. A person who may be slightly over the limit doesn't automatically equate to a mobile murderer. In Ant's case we don't know any more than that he's been charged. Cars have been damaged but no one's hurt.

You may be right Iam, like a cigarette addict, but when they develop cancer those who love them suffer too . If it was as easy as you seem to think we have no need to feel pity for the homeless who have a drink problem, it's their responsibility to just stop

Of course non of us are perfect * Jane10* but personally if I am drinking I don’t drive. That’s really that .

It might sound harsh but I really don’t care how/why/ what his reasons were for being drunk behind the wheel . The fact is he was.

Pain is not an excuse for any type of abuse of substances.
I've been in pain round the clock for years.
Multiple Sclerosis.
Gas and air in hospital is the height of my experience.
I'd be ashamed to use my pain as an excuse to be weak and let my family down.

I can’t believe some of these posts. Almost making excuses for his disgusting behaviour . Ok so call me brutal but I can’t help but wonder if joe bloggs would get such pity?

Not all are as courageous and strong willed as you gmelon , some of us have human weaknesses

Gilly, not pity, just the usual attempt to try to understand why some people do things they shouldn't

I understand why people in pain take pain killers ( I’ve taken plenty myself over the years ) . I understand why people drink to block out cruel realities. I don’t understand anyone drunk/drug driving and if they are so off their faces on drugs or drink that they cannot help themselves, then isn’t it better that they ARE caught and have their licence removed before they become murderers .

Are drunk driving laws not in place to protect us and our families .

I’m glad he was caught before he became a murderer .

Nobody said he was 'off his face'. He could just be slightly over the limit. We don't know.
I don't drink if I'm driving. It's better not to but stuff happens. People smoke, people insist on going climbing in bad weather. It's life. Sometimes it sucks. Nobody is perfect.

I didn’t say he was Jane10 . I said “ I don’t understand anyone” !

I honestly give up . Is climbing illegal these days ? Careless maybe but not illegal !

My exact words .

I don’t understand anyone drunk/drug driving and if they are so off their faces on drugs or drink that they cannot help themselves, then isn’t it better that they ARE caught and have their licence removed before they become murderers

No mention of Ant McP at all .

Gilly, no one has said anyone driving whilst intoxicated shouldn't have their licence remove.

I’m sorry Annie but I feel passionate about this subject and Jane10 implied that I was accusing Ant McP (himself) of being “off his face” which I didn’t . She also compared drunk driving to climbing which confuses me to say the least .

Thank you Maryeliza54, for sharing your heartbreaking circumstances with us. I cannot believe that anyone after reading your story could try to minimise the severity & stupidity of Ants actions

Climbers risk death and other people's lives just as smokers and drink drivers do. I could tell stories about that too but don't want to on a public forum. That's the connection.

Generally speaking Climbers aren’t drunk nor do they encounter children . There is no excuse for getting behind a wheel under the influence of any substance.

Oh for goodness sake Jane . I acknowledge that climbing is dangerous , but to compare it with drunk driving on any level ???? I really don’t understand .

There is never an excuse for drunken driving but who is making an excuse, there are reasons , reasons are not excuses . There are reasons why people murder, murder cannot be excused .

I have had 2 glasses of wine tonight Annie ( haven’t had any alcohol for almost 2 weeks as DH can’t drive and I’m very much on call ) I really am confused but that could be because I’m intoxicated .

Perhaps Gilly, perhaps not ,you could be tired

Yes I am very tired Annie . Sleep would be good . Sadly it doesn’t come easily these days .

Gilly ?

Apologies for my ramblings last night (although I do stand by everything I said) . The 2 (large) glasses of red wine went straight to my head ! And on a school night too..... oh dear.

No apologies needed gillybob. As you say, your posts were clear and from the heart. Hope you're not feeling too fragile today.