Referendum

jennyvg

" I voted leave but would not vote if there is another referendum,"
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What a pity if you go through with that thought in mind.

The manner your initial vote has been disregarded cannot to my mind be denied but it would be a tragedy if those who have denied your democratic vote the chance to win leaving you without a voice ' twice'.

I originally voted REMAIN as I thought that was the best option for our country. However I believe in democracy and fully accepted that the people, as a whole voted to Leave. It doesn’t matter if the majority was 0.5% or 30.5%, Leave won the day. I do not think there should be another vote but, if there is I will vote LEAVE, as will a considerable number of my family and friends, who also believe in Democracy! What happens if another vote says Leave as well, do we try a third time, to get the CORRECT vote! The excuse that we didn’t know the facts and things have changed is bollocks!
If this leads to a General Election, I do hope the constituents remember their current MP’s actions, in whether they have supported the choice their Constituency made, or whether the MP felt that (s)he could ignore the opinions and wishes of those who elected him/her to power to carry out their wishes.

I voted leave but would not vote if there is another referendum, I have absolutely no confidence in the government or the EU, the country voted leave we should get on with it deal or no deal.

My vote remains the same - leave.

Remain, remain remain. Clearly almost nobody knew what we were voting for in 2016 and the chaos of today along with the likely repercussions of either no deal or anything the EU may be likely to concede, if it does, will not be in this country’s interests.

Why should Europe concede more in any case? It will survive without us. We are a thorn in Europe’s side. The referendum was a massive own goal.

sorry, typo - visited.

I’ve been asking for a long time for just ONE example of us being dictated to by “Brussels bureaucrats” and never had an authentic response.

You seem to be making generalisations. I have never once given dictated to my Brussels as a reason I voted to leave. So why would I or others like me answer that question since it was not one of the reasons we voted leave?

It seems to me a lot of remainers have made up the resons leavers voted leave. I have heard the comment made but it has rarely been cited by any leaver I know ( or been a major reason given on any leave site I have visted)

I voted leave for many well-considered, deeply relevant as anybody else's reasons.
If forced to vote again, what is to stop the anti-democratic forces discounting my next vote or the one after that, or the one after that until things go their way?
If you want to know how politicians spend their feckless time, view some of the committee meetings. What a shower.

But abbey, the “reasons” offered have been sketchy and do not stand up to scrutiny. I’ve been asking for a long time for just ONE example of us being dictated to by “Brussels bureaucrats” and never had an authentic response. Yet people continue to make the claim that Brussels rules us. Another claim is freedom to make trade deals, but nobody ever substantiates this with realistic examples. And so on.

I would most certainly still vote to remain in the EU, as I did in 2016. We have so many advantages being within the EU and would lose many of them if we leave. Leaving would hugely disadvantage our children and grandchildren, make travelling more complicated, be disastrous for business, etc., etc.

I voted Leave and would vote Leave if another referendum is forced upon us.

Sorry, Granjan60, I totally disagree. I voted for the EEC, as it was at the time, because I believed we would be better together. However, they have done nothing to reform in all these years and they will not change now. For example, once a month all 751 MEPs move from Brussels to Strasbourg at a cost of £150m a year and don't start me on the CAP. Vote remain but make sure you know the costs/gravy train that we, and all the other members, are supporting. There are still grain, wine and other mountains now that I have just discovered when I thought that was all over from the 70's/80's. There is nothing to say that our children and grandchildren won't thrive if we come out of the EU. We did so beforehand and we can again. I'm also in total agreement with Saracyn as I'm in the same position.

But counterpoint, the comment I quote was not asking for reasons. It asked for the "truth" . Implicit in that being the poster had been given reasons before and was not accepting them.

In fact I know said poster has been given reasons before because I for one have posted my reasons previously
(although not so recently).

abbey
I agree with you...a lot of Remainers seem to be very confident that they know why people voted Leave.
One commentator writing about the recent TV drama about Brexit (the one with Benedict Cumberbatch) pointed out that the play discussed every reason why people might have voted Leave EXCEPT the simple one that "they don't like the EU"

Although we felt we lacked enough information we both voted remain for two reasons, the main one being that we felt it was in the interests of young people to remain, giving them opportunities to work and travel freely in Europe. The second reason was that we live in a new town and over the years we have seen lots of new developments which received funding from the E U. We would probably vote remain again but don’t really want another referendum as we feel it would cause even more division in the country, especially if the result is to remain.

Deedaa,
it's interesting that you assume that Leave voters would be opposed to "replacing European immigrants with more Asians and Africans"
Lying behind this assumption seem to be two fallacies:
1. That only white people voted Leave. On the contrary I think you'll find a lot of support for Leave among the traditional Commonwealth immigrant populations (certainly the ones I know)
That voting Leave means you are a "racist", simply because it might mean you're worried about uncontrolled immigration.
The one good thing to come out of this whole sorry mess is that there is now more awareness that all over the world, civilised nations control their immigration some way or another.

Why does asking for reasons imply anything, abbey? I am still waiting to hear of ONE example of a significant decision that was forced on an unwilling UK by “Brussels bureaucrats “. Is it unreasonable to ask for this?

GabriellaG you could put the same questions to any age group in any part of the country and get very similar answers. WI members in Surrey? Day Centre “seniors” in Sussex? Pigeon fanciers in Portsmouth?
I think your crass dismissal of all young people and even more sweeping disregard for certain areas speaks volumes about you. Your comment about putting a cross being the limit of their capabilities is beneath my contempt - and my contempt has more than once been stretched in a downward direction by your broadsides.
I wonder if you ever venture out of your Home Counties “bubble” or have any experience of e.g. Sixth formers/students/indeed young people in all classes of society.
Get real.

Yes. I voted Remain and I'd like to know the truth why others voted Leave, but I don't suppose we'll ever find out----knowing what they now know.

The very fact you make this statement suggests you have your own ideas about why people voted leave and are unable to accept anything else that has been said to you.

Its comments like yours that have made me decide to hold my breath with regard to my reasons for leaving. It simply isn't worth it.

I voted leave. I would do so again. …. and again and again....

but the fact is, if we have to keep voting , it means the original vote is both being ignored and disrespected by those who cannot accept it, accept democracy or even accept the reasons why.

The NI peace process should not be affected. It's a religious war and, if they can't get on, leave them to it. Why should we spend money trying at appease people who will always...always hate each other?

I voted leave. I would vote leave again.

mokryna
Many 16 yr olds have little capacity to make or understand the ramifications of such a decision.
Half of them are up to their ears in selfies, Twitter and Facebook and little to no knowledge of world affairs Putting a cross is about the level of their capabilities, especially in the poorer sectors of society that people are banging on about.
Go to Newham, Forest Gate or Holloway, around any deprived areas in Britain, and ask the 16/17 yr olds on the street what the deals are for remain and leave and come back here with their answers.

But it won't be controlling immigration, just replacing European immigrants with more Asians and Africans. Fine by me, but may not be what some people thought they voted for. I'd still like an assurance that our government will replace all the EU grants we are going to lose. I've got no more faith in that happening now than I had in 2016.

Remain for me again. I’m so depressed by the way our country is going.

Gillyjp and Carolina55, both good posts.
These 27 other countries, many of them have tiny populations. Luxembourg, from whence the odious Juncker hails, has exactly half a million people! Estonia, Latvia, Austria, Lithuania, and others have small populations, 3 to 5 million people. Put all of these small countries together and they still only come up to approximately the population of the UK. None the less I have absolutely np problem about anyone from these countries coming here to work, often because there is little work in their own countries. But to call people racist if they do object is very poor form, so rude and virtue signalling. Often those who voted leave did so for many reasons, the lack of available housing in their area, the downward pressure on their wages, pressures on the NHS, schools over full with many children not even speaking English, layer upon layer of expensive government with little accountability, in particular the Commissioners who are not elected and who make the rules which the parliament and council are expected to rubber stamp, the loss of sovereignty, the possibility of an EU army ( I wonder if the 27 will put up the amount of money they’re supposed to, since they don’t for. NATO).
I voted remain, based purely on the economic arguments. I wouldn’t vote remain again based on the arrogance displayed by Barnier, Juncker, Tusk, and all.