Referendum

David Cameron doesn’t regret giving his promise to call a referendum! Well it’s all his fault I say, then he walks away to let others to pick up the pieces.

I voted Leave & would do so again. My views were formed in 1988 (yes you did read that correctly) following a visit to the EU HQ in Brussels, the views expressed there demonstrated that they viewed UK as a "cash cow".

I also dislike being ruled by an un-elected body who can't make the books balance & haven't had accounts audited. If the EU was a Company registered in UK it would have been struck off the Companies Register at Companies House & would no longer be able to trade

We voted leave but would never vote again.

greeneyes good post.

Abbey I'll give you three good reasons (despite no leaver ever have responded to my question of why they are frightened of another vote)

1) It is obvious that the buying power of a very large organisation, EU plus the other 70+ countries we have deals with because we are part of the EU)
2) If we break our agreement with the EU (and some say we shouldn't pay our debts) how can we expect any other country to trust us.
3) The £ has dropped by 20% since the 2016 vote which means the markets think it is a very bad thing.

Chucky your childish comment worries me if that is the only level of debate you can come up with. Such things are what make some claim that Leavers are not very bright. You are doing harm to your cause.

I’ve just read through all the posts. What is crystal clear is just how divisive Brexit is. It makes me want to weep. I do think mutual respect & tolerance is much needed at present. After all who amongst us has a crystal ball?

I voted remain & would do so again if the opportunity arises but I had accepted the democratic outcome of 2016.

I think politicians of all parties have behaved in an appalling & unprofessional manner. The arrogance they display is breathtaking. I think if there is to be any progress there should be cross party input, but even that might not help. And it doesn’t look as if the PM is in the least interested in genuine inclusive talks.

As for EU officials, they must be laughing at us. But that’s equally undignified.

We will go on living our lives I guess but we will be poorer, if not financially then in terms of civility & unity. Poor Northern Ireland.

Topref can you explain why the £ has dropped by 20%?

Annaram1 please explain how you know what the EU's 'hidden agenda' is? Imo they are simply doing what we would do in their position, protecting their own interests. Why would they do anything different?

POGS I suspect it was a typo but I love your word "ebacle". I think Ebacle describes what is happening on here and on other social media.

KIm19 the EU has stated that we could stay on existing terms which rather gives the lie to all those who say they are bullying us.

JenniferEccles Are you serious about wanting to be "completely free of the EU"? Not trade with them, not share security with them? If you really believe that I am very worried.

breeze just checking that you understand that 'immigration' won't stop if we leave the EU. Do you? Most immigration is not from the EU in case you didn't realise it. We will still have EU immigration for those earning over £30,000 pa (there may be exceptions) so who is going to clean our hospitals, look after old people and pick our crops?

Voting because you don't like a particular leader in the EU shows that you really haven't thought it through. They will move on but we will still be here in or out. Please consider the bigger picture, PLEASE.

I voted Remain and I would vote Remain again. Being in the EU has made us the 6th richest economy in the world. Why on earth would any sane person turn their back on all the advantages that being a member gives us? No, it's not perfect but it's like any "marriage" you stay in it and work at making it better.

Yes I voted remain and would do so again ....AND I DO think there should be a People's vote (no, not a second referendum, but this time the ability to decide on your vote based on FACTS as they are known ...not like before, when all there was were lies and rhetoric .....now that people are more aware of the consequences a more informed decision could be made. but with a Government or rather a PM that seems hell bent on destroying democracy what are the chances !!! I am at the end of my life but worry about my grandson and young people like him. I have a friend whose son has taken advantage of an excellent scheme in summer school at CERN in Switzerland run by the EU and virtually free, for those at university who have obtained a good mid term mark, to study advanced science ...he was hoping to return this summer, but that is all now in doubt There is no equivalent in the UK ...so what now for him ?? and many many others like him unfortunately. Science is one area that is going to suffer.....

Just RTFT and had to laugh at this post -
“I am pretty sure I will vote remain again but will wait and see what the situation is at the time. Writing down my thoughts has helped me recognise just how important it is, much more important than a general election, the outcome will be forever”.
Well if you’re voting again Nonnie - it wasn’t the last time!!!!

Good posts Abbey. Thank you for expressing my thoughts so much better than I can!

I voted leave and would again.

I voted remain and would still do so again. The most stupid part was to only have 50% it should have been much higher

I have said this a number of times on gransnet, do your research fully on the EU .what you see is a shambles a number of countries baled out .
unemployemt particular the young people.
their accounts have never neen signed off
what MEPs are paid would you give that up????
the unelected officials salary???
how many people empoyed in Brussels.
last year EU cut subsidys to UK by 20%??
we know who is is realy running the EU?they import over70 billion to the UK
much of our export go through the netherlands so figures are distorted.
how would you like all your tax affairs and bank or building society accounts to be controlled by the EU.
I could say more but do your own in depth research ??

I voted leave and I still would .

hello, I would vote leave again, as always leave

When is a democratic vote not passed by a majority share?

When it does not suit the loser it appears.

I voted Remain in 2016 but accepted that more voted to Leave. At that time my vote counted and I was content with democracy taking place.

Boy was I a fool to believe in a democratic vote being accepted as fair play.

The ' unsuccessful' voters/commentators/activist/Politicians were out of the sack from day one trying to reverse the legitimate outcome by fair means or foul, name calling and of late by breaking with Parliamentary Procedure and Protocol.

In time Brexit will be decided one way or the other but the aftermath of what we have, or some have, thought of as democracy and expecting adherence to abiding by a result in a democratic process whether it went in our favour or not is now over.

That is the legacy 'some' fear will be damaging not only now but in the future to the well being of a decent democracy but others will not give a hoot sadly.

Definitely Remain

No. I voted to remain but have now changed my mind to leave.

Yes I would vote to remain. I have young people in my family they didn’t want to leave sadly they couldn’t vote. My gd was gutted and angry how it turned out. She’s 18 now and be able to vote to remain.
We are a democracy although we lost we have to respect the vote if we vote again it would be against what we believe in I think. And I think there would be riots. I do think we have trouble ahead.

If we had another referendum I wouldn’t vote. I voted to remain the first time around but more people voted to leave and I feel very strongly that their vote should be adhered to. I can’t believe how many people think that their opinion is more important and somehow worthier than the majority vote. I wouldn’t vote to remain again because the idea of staying in the EU simply because we cannot find a viable way of coming out is rather terrifying.

“Newspaper reader” I meant of course.

Abbey as a Sixth Form Tutor I also worked with 17/18 year olds and I can’t entirely agree either with GabriellaG or yourself.
On the other hand there are many on Gransnet who have shown or expressed ignorance about what it is all about, even admitting they never read newspapers or follow political items in the media. At the time of the Referendum I was shouted down by a member for posting a link to a very clear Youtube exposé of the pitfalls of Leave by a prominent economist because she “ could not be bothered to waste 10 minutes of her time listening to experts”. (Her words)
So let’s not generalise about age groups or socio- economic classes.
What is the average age of your typical “red top” newspaper I wonder?

I voted Leave and I would again.

I am sorry about the typo's but I am sure intelligent people will be able to use their brains and the redundancy of the English language to make sense of the above despite the typo's. I seem to have been writing on a keyboard which was not faithfully reproducing my tip tip taps.

I would always vote leave.
PECS, What do you call a decisive victory - the one where Wales voted for limited independance which had a majority 0.3% and yet was passed by the UK parliament.