ISIS girl

I don't know how to post links but I found an article stating that 150 returning jehadis have had their UK citizenship stripped from them. Seems not unreasonable to me. If they were so keen to live in an Islamic state then let them live in one. We're not an Islamic country so no point coming here.

Her position in the UK, will be a lot better than that of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe's in Iran. She will be in a system with a clear rule of law, rules governing evidence and an open court system. The child would probably placed in the care of her family

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/12/jihadists-could-face-10-years-prison-return-uk-new-laws/amp/

This is the latest info but anyone who follows the news has known for ages about the hundreds of returners. But what happens is that the ill informed lynch mob who will of course insist they’re entitled to their ill informed opinion will jump on one case of a pregnant woman

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On LBC today an MI5 officer estimated there were up to a thousand returned fighters and of course not all are a threat but they are monitoring those they think might be. They don’t know the exact figures. That’s why I think we need more robust procedures to deal with them.

I think we really need to play catch up here and have proper procedures in place for this. If she’s back she needs to stand trial for joining IS. As do any returning fighters.

Agree Syria should be consulted as they may want to press charges.

I do take the point that she may be very afraid so is unable to renounce IS BUT it took planning, cunning, stealing and months of lying for her to reach Syria. She could indeed be a very very dangerous individual.

And if she does return she should be assessed by SS about her parenting.

We can’t legally stop her coming back and of course we export many nasty criminals and benefit by that but robust procedures need to be in place to meet these criminals.

Hundreds of jihadi fighters have returned to the UK? I didn’t know that. Can you give a link to that information maryeliza?

I don't see

It hundreds of jihadi fighters have returned to the UK - why is SHE different? Ahhh I see

Every year we deport several thousand foreign born nationals on ‘public interest grounds’ which usually means people convicted of serious offences. Imagine the mayhem if the countries we were deporting them to decided to take away their passports so we had to keep to them all here. International law works both ways

I think the Foreign Office would need to get the view of the Syrian Government on this. We should not aid her return if they want to arrest her and others.

You don’t think Syria wants to get involved in all of that do you Jal what would be in it for them? And remorse or no remorse, she is legally entitled to return
I'm not a lawyer so do not know the legality of the situation regarding her return but I do not think that there is a law against it, no.

Why would Syria not want to be involved? After all, there may have been crimes committed on their soil, not ours. We do not know; she may have just aided and abetted. I would have thought they may want to have some input into this.

I understood that she travelled out on her sister's passport so where does that leave her legally,

Absolutely agree mycat. There’s something profoundly depressing about the lynch mob mentality across all forms of media at the moment calling for the tearing up of international and domestic laws to deal with this without any thought at all for what this would really mean or what it would say about us as a society

Exactly..so if she chooses to return it would be to face trial I think.

No I agree we have to abide by international law but we do need proper procedures in place to deal with returned fighters.

We don’t know if she did any killing but surely the wives of the SS bastards who lived in and worked in the extermination camps are to my mind just as culpable.

Also isn’t IS a prescribed organisation? In that case she has committed a crime by joining them.

Her child is innocent though & no teenager has paid into the NHS either.... that is irrelevant! Any teen girl who is pregnant gets NHS treatment.

I appreciate the fear she could be so radicalised as to pose a threat to security. She would not be allowed back and to be free and would I guess she would be subject to debrief from our security services anyway. As she was not seeking to return I feel she is resigned to her fate.

You don’t think Syria wants to get involved in all of that do you Jal what would be in it for them? And remorse or no remorse, she is legally entitled to return - just because people don’t want back doesn’t mean she can’t come back. What part of rule of law do people not understand

I do think the Syrian authorities should be the ones to decide if any charges should be forthcoming.

She shouldn't be allowed back no remorse at all only coming back to get nhs care and be kept by the country she turned her back on .

It was a real scoop for the Times -that’s why they did it. Surely she will be held in custody on her return and separated from her child - that might well influence her decision once she’s thought through the implications of returning

I wonder why The Times stirred this up, because it did not appear that this woman had any intention of returning to Britain before she was interviewed. If she is allowed to return I do hope she will be held in custody, for our protection, because it is reasonable to assume that she does pose a threat to our safety.She may have been a silly, impressionable fifteen year old when she left, but I don't believe she is now.

Legally it’s impossible to prevent her return. So there are not two sides. There are two sides as to whether you feel sorry for her or any compassion but she can’t be locked out of the UK permanently. That doesn’t mean that the government has to do anything to facilitate her return of course and I’m sure it won’t.

There are not many Islamic countries who want terrorists either! Why would they?

Hmm, I can see arguments for both sides, but on balance, I would say no. She shows no remorse, has no regrets, just wants the UK to pick up the pieces. Time to stand firm I think. There must be a muslim country that would take her and her unborn child, surely.

A real dilemma for me. She was a young and impressionable teenager when she went. She may have been traumatized when the reality of what she has let herself in for hit home. She will not have chosen her husband and may have endured rape. She may not be able to say what she really feels to TV or press whilst still overseas as she may end up a head in a bin herself. I do not know. She could of course, like any cult follower be brainwashed and dangerous. When I heard her briefly on TV last night she seemed resigned to prison in UK but wanted her unborn child to have a chance of life.