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Jane10 Thu 14-Feb-19 10:00:27

What do people think about the young woman who ran away to join ISIS and now wants to return here to have her baby in safety?
I don't know what to think. I'm sorry her last babies died but I'm horrified to hear her dismiss unbelievers' heads in bins as 'enemies of Islam'. Any thoughts?

GabriellaG54 Tue 19-Feb-19 22:59:32

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GabriellaG54 Tue 19-Feb-19 22:58:03

To all those citing the fact that 'she was a child when she left' at 15 1/2, I ask this question? Are any of you the same people who advocate voting at 16?
You cannot be both a child, yet adult enough to waltz off to a far away country sans parents, get married have children and accept that beheading people not a problem.

Anja Tue 19-Feb-19 22:44:42

I nipped to a garage around the corner and was paying when the news came on about this. The Muslim man who is usually there behind the counter was saying ‘good, we don’t want this kind back here’ or words to that effect.

It made me remember that she must be an embarrassment to her own race amd culture.

newnanny Tue 19-Feb-19 22:25:45

Apparently she had Primary Bangladeshi nationality from birth until she was 10 years old, then UK for 5 years. It makes sense to remove her UK secondary nationality as she does not need two.

trisher Tue 19-Feb-19 22:20:35

Ah Bangladeshi law applies in UK then? Who knew?

newnanny Tue 19-Feb-19 22:20:28

I am very glad if she cannot come back. I heard her today in an interview saying she celebrated when the terrorist attack killed 22 in Manchester. I remember reading at the time she went she had researched all about ISIS before she went. She knew they beheaded people and wanted to kill UK citizens. She made her choice. I feel sorry for the victims of the Manchester terror attack not Shamima. I hope she does not get legal aid either. If her parents want her to appeal let them fund her not the UK tax payer.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 19-Feb-19 22:06:08

SB’s Mother is a Bangladeshi National and by Bangladeshi law that makes SB also a Bangladeshi National- BBC news.

Anniebach Tue 19-Feb-19 21:18:56

The government has said the girl will not be allowed entry back into the U.K., she has duel nationality .

The Labour Party and The Lib Dem’s oppose this decision .

lemongrove Tue 19-Feb-19 21:08:49

Apart from her family wanting her back ( understandable)
Very few others do, and quite right too.

Perhaps the council house obsessed poster would like one herself? ?

trisher Tue 19-Feb-19 21:07:17

It seems very odd that one girl should cause such a commotion when at least 400 fighters may have already returned. And the report says there is usually a wide difference between those who went to fight for Daesh and those who wish to destroy western institutions.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/isis-british-jihadis-return-uk-iraq-syria-report-islamic-state-fighters-europe-threat-debate-terror-a8017811.html
I think some of the vitriolic posts on here are as usual an indication that someone has behaved in a way that other women find unacceptable. As for her apparent casual and insensitive attitude towards other deaths I believe similar attitudes have been recorded in children who have been soldiers and involved in wars. She was a child when she left this country.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 19-Feb-19 21:04:33

trisher it has been mooted on social media that she arrived with her family on Bangladeshi passports, as she travelled to Syria on her elder sisters UK passport maybe SB had never had/ applied for a UK one?
Just a thought, as it would be worrying if a UK citizen could be stripped of their status so quickly.

EllanVannin Tue 19-Feb-19 20:58:51

It's not about ignorance trisher. I mentioned Intelligence who work with the Home Office and if they've delved into the backgrounds of these families then this is what they do--------remove passports,etc. They're not going to give full reasons why it was done are they and you talk about me " living in ignorance ?" Tsk.

22 innocent people were murdered in Manchester and you have the gall to mention " democratically dangerous !!"

trisher Tue 19-Feb-19 20:38:06

This case is neither media driven nor is it public opinion because the Home Office doesn't normally work that way
It must be nice to live in such a state of ignorance.
For those of us in the real world any decision taken at such a time and in such a manner by any Home Secretary of any political persuasion is not only questionable but democratically dangerous.

Urmstongran Tue 19-Feb-19 20:35:55

75% of the general public disagree with you Rowantree. I for one don’t want taxpayers money getting to the bottom of ‘why she went’. I don’t bloody care. She chose to go, after knowing what IS was like.

The grandparents can fly out to see them. She (unlike those who lost their lives in my city) is safe. The baby will be loved and well cared for. And it sends a strong message that our country is fair but firm.

Rowantree Tue 19-Feb-19 20:27:59

And actually, Grannygravy makes an excellent point too - better we have her here than in Banglasesh where she could simply disappear into the mists and be groomed and trained afresh. Not the best idea. It's like kicking the can down the road...until it explodes...

Urmstongran Tue 19-Feb-19 20:25:55

Well I think it’s fantastic.

Thank you Home Secretary and anyone else party to this outcome, you have probably surprised (in a very good way) most of the nation with this absoloutely correct decision. Let’s prioritise keeping Britain safe.

Rowantree Tue 19-Feb-19 20:25:37

trisher excellent post with excellent points.

Rowantree Tue 19-Feb-19 20:24:43

petra she was a child when she left. I'm not advocating a tickatape reception; I'm suggesting bringing her home to an secure environment where she can be investigated, closely observed and so that 'we' can learn how and why she was groomed. We might learn how to prevent others doing the same and really, isn't that the point?

EllanVannin Tue 19-Feb-19 20:23:45

Trisher, how do we know that Intelligence didn't have further information ? We don't do we, so therefore the measure that's been taken by the Home Office is obviously the right one.
This case is neither media driven nor is it public opinion because the Home Office doesn't normally work that way.

PECS Tue 19-Feb-19 20:20:46

I have no idea what tbe legalities are re removing citizenship. It does appear that no court has heard the case 'in camera'..which one might reasonably expect in a sensitive case.
I really hope the law has been scrupulously followed. Once a country starts suspending the agreed laws it is a slippery slope to hell.

trisher Tue 19-Feb-19 20:15:02

Does no one else find that anyone can be stripped of their British citizenship by the Home Office a bit worrying? Regardless of what she has or hasn't done (and has she actually DONE anything?) I think that judging someone before they have a proper trial is out of order. And the worst form of trial is trial by media which it seems is what she has had. Judgement and sentence of course by a Home Secretary conscious of the importance of hanging on to support in the country by any means possible. It's unacceptable, I hope legally challengable and proof once more that women are always subject to harsher discipline and held to higher standards than any man is.

petra Tue 19-Feb-19 20:14:09

Rowantree
This woman advocated far far worse than spitting venom
If you like it, don't read it.

Jane10 Tue 19-Feb-19 20:06:35

Bangladesh has problems with fundamentalists. Its such a shame. They have problems enough without this person and the trouble she'll bring with her.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 19-Feb-19 20:01:39

Putting my head above the parapet, SB going to Bangladesh is not that good an idea. She may not be as rigorously interviewed or monitored and will be free if she so chooses to recruit for Daesh at will.

Rowantree Tue 19-Feb-19 19:59:10

I'll leave you to spit venom about this woman in peace. Fire away.

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