'woman' - a change in the definition of the word

Human rights are a recent addition to the plethora of rules

Really? Never heard of the Magna Carta?

I see that as inclusion, Rosie. I've never liked having a 'feminine' versions of some words while other words happily include everyone.
No driver / drivress, pilot /pilotess, painter / paintress etc.

It seems the word 'actress' is now redundant too. Both sexes are now referred to as 'actors'. Surely that is a form of discrimination.

Feminists have attacked an invitation to “non-men” by the young women’s arm of the Green Party.
www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/feminists-mock-green-party-young-womens-invite-to-non-men-a6987061.html%3famp

Non-men?...Well that speaks volumes.

medium.com/@JonahMix/an-open-letter-to-the-guy-on-twitter-who-wonders-if-biological-sex-is-real-58d2cb4403f5

I've been wondering how Caroline Lucas's proposal for an all-woman emergency cabinet is going to work, given that we now can't define what a woman is. The Greens regard women as non-men.

One of the big problems here is those of us who were born female and are quite happy to live as female, are expected to accept those who identify as female as though they are one of us.....and they are not.

I watch a lot of the shopping channels on tv and recently, one of the guests was obviously male...about 6' tall, big hands, broad shoulders etc....but had a girls name and was dressed in womens clothes. It was quite obvious that the presenter , a woman, was very uncomfortable and didn't quite know how to inter-act with this person.

The first time I saw Lady Colin Campbell on tv, I was trying to figure out exactly what she/he is. The proportions of a man's body are different from a womans. They might kid themselves , but they don't fool us.

pinkquartz nowadays, it is much easier to determine, biologically, which sex a baby is.

In any case, intersex people are not the ones who are pushing for this legislation.

It is people with clearly male or female bodies who feel they don't fit the stereotypes associated with their sex and so they want to be accepted as the opposite sex, using stereotypes for that, of course.

I wouldn't say that, actually, Gonegirl.
I would say that however many hormones they take, or however much surgery they have, their body remains male.

Even if I did agree with you that doing those things causes a male to become female, I would never agree that simply making a decision (as stated in that previous quote) causes someone to change sex.

There was no mention there of any kind of treatment, just a decision.

GG54

Actually there are some people for whom this choice is made at birth for them.
An hermaphrodite will be born with both sexual organs of male and female and a doctor will choose which gender they will be given.
Also sometimes in the past parents were asked what they wanted a boy or a girl.

I know the current inference is that there are people deciding that they are born in the wrong body and want to re-gender themselves but you cannot say 100% that it is clear at birth because that is not the case.

You can report me for saying that if you like.

Well if they were having hormone treatment, followed by surgery, you could, in fact would, say they were becoming female. Bearing in mind they had been forced to live their previous life as a boy/man.

But I've no doubt you know better.

Of course, it's impossible to 'become female' anyway.

Well, I wouldn't think it's a decision taken lightly.

Words have meanings. Sometimes it's really important to use the right words to avoid confusion.

Trans activism has deliberately caused confusion about the words 'sex' and 'gender'.

Most of this doesn't need much research, Gonegirl, as it's obvious.

Well, if someone has (quote from article) "taken the decision to undergo a process for the purpose of becoming female”, then that person will have to be included as female.

Taking a decision makes it a fact that everyone else has to accept?
Do you find that usually works? I never have.

How long do you spend researching this stuff FarNorth?

Words words words.

There are two biological sexes.
Whatever 'gender identity' you choose to have, you remain the same sex.

There are two genders - and some people are born into the wrong Gender. Not too difficult - happy with that. However - all this 'none binary', 'identifying as' nonsense drives me nuts. The minority shouldn't rule and decide for the majority. I still wish to be identified as a woman using she, her mrs etc. I take each individual as I find them. If I identify as slim - can that please be accepted? Or Rich! I hereby identify as rich.

Got it wrong all these years.

Your gender isn't doled out by a jobsworth at a desk in the labour ward.

Who knew?!

Yeah, I do know that Gabriella

Surely you know what I meant. again.

I doubt anyone is 'assigned' a gender at conception.
Your gender isn't doled out by a jobsworth at a desk in the labour ward.
Unless it's by artificial means, then it's decided when sperm meets egg over which no-one has control.
You are that gender from that moment.
Anything else is fantasy...IMO