I feel sorry for Prince Harry

I thought they had training before hand? They have lessons about what it will involve. His previous gf Chelsea wouldn’t marry him cos of the lifestyle.

This is what Harry & Meghan could have done ... but then I don't think the true reason for their "abdication" is the media, so much as M wanting to move back to the US/Canada. She doesn't want to carry out any of the royal duties.

www.tatler.com/article/could-harry-and-meghan-have-emulated-princess-annes-example

I really don't think Meghan ever really tried. As people who know her have said, if she doesn't get her own way she just "cuts and runs". I feel truly sorry for Harry. He obviously loves Meghan and in trying to keep her happy he is giving up everything he has known for a life on the American celebrity market. All the new team of "advisors " they have are American. None of them will have any idea as to what Harry's responsilities in life are. The American celebrity world is so fickle. It is fine while Harry and Meghan are young and lovely, but what when they are in their 50s and 60s? At least in the RF age isn't such a popularity killer. And, although I doubt any of us will be around to see it, I don't fancy the chances of any other American divorcees who want to marry a prince!

I'll be very surprised if Meghan or Archie ever return to this country again, at least until he's a grown man. I very much doubt that he'll be educated here so will grow up to have no real affinity with this country, just an understanding that he has some long distance links to the British royal family. Did no one (family, staff, media) not notice that they took their dogs with them before Christmas- a sure sign they weren't coming back!

As Meghan doesn't seem to like any of her own family either, other than her own mother, whom she hasn't always been close to either, Archie could grow up to be quite isolated from everyone in his family. Of course, he'll always have the Clooneys and the like to socialise with though to compensate him!

Meghan at thirty five had much experience of life, not the sort of person who when asked to jump would ask how high. There was no 'initiation' period as experiencd by Kate.
and what Meghan previously knew of royal life came from the media.
I hope for Harry's sake they make the right decisions and she does not isolate him from his family as she herself did to her own.

Eurgh. Not reading. Not interested.

I don't have an indepth knowledge of things Royal, never mind.

It was Diana herself who used the phrase ‘keep myself tidy’.

‘Keep herself tidy’, simply means lovers could sell their stories if she had affairs .

Sorry about extra long comment - got a bit carried away there.

sorry Maw, I don't get it? I think one of her tests was she had to be a virgin didn't she? Oh, it's all silly.

In fairness to Harry, he heard his uncle say the press killed
his mother, they didn’t.

He was 23 when the inquest was held, the verdict - killed by
a drunken driver and the paparazzi.

I never agreed with the verdict, they were killed because they
were playing ‘catch me if you can’ with the paparazzi.

Anyone who followed the inquest will remember the battle
Fayed put up, his lies. She was pregnant etc. His uncle Robert
organised her killing.

The public claiming his mother was murdered by his grandfather. Many still do.

He chooses to blame the press rather than the truth , he wants
his mother a victim.

I'm not a monarchist but good luck to them.
The only thing I would say is that the Canadians should have a say as to whether or not they are prepared to accept this pair and are they happy about what it may cost them as taxpayers.

Meghan had no intention of staying in the UK. This ‘dedicated wife and mother’ left her baby so. In Canada, and then her husband in UK. She calls all the shots and now has the baby that Harry always longed for which she is using to make Harry leave his family.
I was one of the thousands who joined the crowds in Windsor for their marriage. How she can say that the public have never accepted her is just fantasy. We all wanted to see Harry happy. No good will come if this whole sorry affair.

Great post eazybee - I'm not a hater either - royals are born into a life of privilege - I know/we all know - he did not choose to be born into this - but hey ho - he was - we also know - being born into the royal family - has meant him spending time in the spotlight/not having a private life.He had an extravagant wedding/refurbishment of Frogmore - how much they or the public contributed to this - can only be guessed at.In the tradition of the royal family - in time - his and her presence in the spotlight would have naturally waned,when Charles becomes King and William - the Prince of Wales.Whether you are for/against the royal family - I do not think that anyone can say she has not truly devoted herself to the position she holds.If Harry wanted to take a step-back from the royal family/duties etc etc - why did they not wait until such time as when Charles becomes King.Alternatively - if they felt unable to wait - why was this not taken to/discussed (properly) with the Queen/courtiers/parliament etc etc - without the need for it to be broadcast publicly before any plans/decisions were discussed/made.The title of this discussion is 'I feel sorry for Harry' - and I just cannot quite understand this - there are starving children all over the world - here - we suffer with poverty and homelessness - am I wrong ? Isn't that where our pity should lay ? Harry really ought to grow up - decide what he wants for his family and stick to it - it is possible to remain within the royal family,work for charity and have a reasonably private life for Archie - Prince Edward and the Duchess of Wessex manage to live life out of the spotlight whist also representing the Queen/working for charity - Harry can't really be half in and half out.As for Meghan - it is really quite difficult to make any comment about her - for fear of being labelled anti-American/racist etc etc - but the treatment of her Father is strange - cold - odd - if she never spent a lot of bonding time as a child - with her half brother/sister - she cannot be blamed for any distance between them now - but - (again - if reports are genuine) her Father wasn't absent from her life as a child - in fact, if reports are genuine - they had a close relationship - and now - there is no contact/relationship between them.I hope the situation can be resolved amicably between them all - without as little distress to the Queen as possible.

" Diana kept herself tidy "is a hideous phrase and tells us all we need to know about the RF
Good heavens sparkii this was being used ironically - <sigh> this thread is responsible for just far too many SOH fails

Just wondering who buys the Daily Mail? What sort of people? Or the daily Express come to that.

I guess I'll never be a fully paid up member of Gransnet's tut-tutting, finger wagging, halo polishing brigade but as I don't actually buy it - just read it online, does that save me from hell and damnation?

her cronies friends perhaps?

Grace Kelly.......hilarious.

" Diana kept herself tidy "is a hideous phrase and tells us all we need to know about the RF.

Agree with you ArtDeco. Might have been easier had Megan had a quiet couple of months to adjust to motherhood. But they'd have had to have major rows even to get that.

I still cannot agree with the words ‘ should have ‘
We learn to live with situations but the scar(s) sometimes prickles when least expected.
Doesn’t excuse bad behaviour though reasons are different than excuses.

annsixty We are all different in how we deal with trauma in our lives and without denigrating the situation you were in, I'm sure it was not as public as Harry's. He hadn't even reached his teens yet he had to walk steadfast and tall, in front of millions, behind his mother who had died in the most appalling way. How anybody deals with something like that is beyond me.

I expected replies couched in those terms and I agree that there are bad times, sad times etc but they don’t go on forever and we can’t go through life blaming everything for it.
We do learn to live with loss and we learn how to get on with our lives, most people don’t make allowances and we must accept that.
It is as it is. We adapt or we crumble.

Should have?
Maybe sad or counterproductive that he hasn’t,
But not a ‘ should have’
Most folks learn to live with a loss, but there will always be bad times, sad times, reminder times.

I keep seeing ludicrous misogynistic comparisons to Yoko Ono, regarding Meghan. I mean for goodness sake! Honestly, why WOULDN'T a woman, isolated from family and friends over here, want to spend far more time with people she knows and likes rather than here where she can apparently do nothing right? Good on them - I hope they'll be very happy. The tabloid press here, and the likes of Piers Morgan and Sarah Vine, should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

Meghan decided very young in life when she wrote that she wanted to be a princess, that she would work to become a celebrity. She did that and topped it by using that celebrity status to come to the attention of a young man with a history of mental fragility (understandably). In my opinion there was never any way that this press-savvy celebrity did not know what being a member of the British RF meant - and equally no way that she did not plan to enhance her celebrity status by becoming Harry's wife. That done, they have lived a charmed life, underpinned by the millions of pounds of Charles' personal money that Charles is now complaining about. And now they both want to become self-supporting - well surely with their properties and Megan's pre-RF earnings, they can be self-supporting - oh wait, does that mean they want to keep their current lifestyle? Of course it does … so all these pleas for them to live as 'ordinary' people are quite ridiculous because at the same time there is a convenient forgetting of all the support they have had thus far. Ordinary people go to university, take out a loan and pay it back when they earn enough to do so. That's how their strategy for life and self-supporting is planned. Harry and Megan should do the same but they have enough to pay back now so let them repay the costs of their wedding, let them pay for the costs of their security - they're either ordinary or they're royal - can't have it both ways - do I feel sorry for Harry - not one bit - I did when he was a young boy but he's a man now and millions of people get over total traumas. What is wrong with the British public that it continually obsesses over people with privilege when half of London is living out of food banks - nurses and teachers included.