I feel sorry for Prince Harry

Publicly supported her son , when ?

If anything demonstrates the utter corruptness of our system of monarchy, it’s that a 93 year old woman who has publicly supported a son who consorts with convicted paedophiles is supposed to have legal custody of all her minor grandchildren. FFS - how absolutely bloody stupid. What a farce. When are we as a society going to grow up and drag this toxic dysfunctional family and institution into the 21st century? How can even the most ardent royalist on here think that still having that law even in theory is anything but utterly pathetic?

I am no peasant and certainly do not gawp, I do not want a president, I have respect for the Queen and Charles.

Meghan and harry should live their life.

I agree with this, but if they think the press will lose interest in them after they've renounced their titles and moved to Canada they're in for a bit surprise.

I’m with Harry and Meghan, the royal family is an anachronism for the peasants to gawp at.
Meghan and harry should live their life.

They haven’t been honest, those interviews in S.A. How unhappy they were, genuine or part of the plan.

It was a deliberate act to leave the baby in Canada, she clearly has been reading up on Royal law and knows that the Queen is the legal custodian of minor royal children.

Well, it's all going to be sorted tomorrow at the royal summit, isn't it? Apparently Meghan is taking part by telephone from Canada. I think she's manipulated H to where she wants him. He will have to choose between M, the baby and the dogs in Canada but no longer being royal or funded, or remaining in England being royal and rich and seeing the baby every other weekend. Poor man.

If they want to live a different life why not give up their titles,
Frogmore which they want to keep empty six months of the year, money from The Duchy , Charles doesn’t own the Duchy , the monies are for the heir to the throne and their children, this at a time when the children of the heir to the throne carried out royal duties full time.

Their title Sussex was an honour bestowed by the queen , why
not pay their own way as Mr & Mrs Mountbatten Windsor as is their right.

There will have to be concessions made to the Sussex family. There is a phrase about it being better to have people in the tent 'urinating' out, rather than out of the tent 'urinating' in. (See how politely I put that!)

Very true.
It's amazing to me that Andrew's 'misdemeanors' have disappeared into the ether in favour of Meghan and Harry's terrible wrongdoings.

I feel sorry for Prince Harry too because by the time all the emotional outfall has finished those closest to him will be too busy to "carry" him or to "put an arm" round him. In a few years to come Charles and William will be pre occupied with their duties and guiding the next generation. They won't have time to sort out Harry's issues or demands which is why everything needs to be urgently wrapped up so tightly now. Harry could end up a bitter, lonely middle aged man with his wife living the celebrity high life and keeping him apart from his relatives.

I only feel sorry for him in that he seems to be completely in thrall to his wife and doesn't see how he comes across to many of us as a petulant child. She has been ruthless in dropping friends and relatives who don't fit with her ambitions and he seems to be doing the same -apparently already cut himself off from his old friends and adopted her celeb contacts and now dumping the family (but not their money!) I worry that before long the rose coloured specs are going to clear or that she will decide she doesn't need him any more, the marriage will bomb and then he'll really have some mental health issues.

Should other humans be “public property”? Shouldn’t they be free to say they don’t want to be “ public property”.? Or it it a case of “we pay, you pose and keep your mouth shut”.

If Meghan’s family were mine, I certainly wouldn’t do family either. Couldn’t wait to jump on the gravy train, family loyalty was non existant. Non of us know the full story or truth as to their family dynamics.

The ongoing vile/racism via media of all descriptions doesn’t surprise me that they have left the uk.

My thoughts are, so many of the media moguls are at work thus, taking the limelight off Andrew. So much worse than H&M’s decision in my book.

I've never seen him look happier than in the recent photograph with Archie.

He may look tense in public because that is not what he wants from life.

Most of us can choose.

I should hope that he did have bodyguards in Afghanistan!

That was the problem though, in his position he couldn't lead a normal life even when in the Army.

Well thanks for this thread, with a bit of compassion and dare I say it, emotional know how.

We don't own the RF and we don't own this couple and their baby. I've slowly morphed from being a young republican into an old person who believes this country is better with a monarchy than an elected head of state. The Queen is doing a good job and Ive reached the stage where I think Charles will continue in that role.
Charles is said to favour a slimmed down monarchy and that fits well with what H and M say they want. They talk about financial independence, good luck with that one. All the grannies I know who can afford to, are still giving financial support of one form or another to there 30 something adult children.
There are a couple of comments suggesting Harry was a relaxed, happy man before he married Meghan. Where's the evidence to support that? It doesn't fit with anything he's said. He's talked about struggling with his m.h. as a child and as an adult. He's not had an easy time. I wish this couple and their baby son well. I remain stunned at the level of nastiness shown by many grannies. Do they live in Perfect Families? What's a Perfect Family?

It is good to read that some people on Gransnet have compassion and concern for this young family. I was beginning to despair while reading the other thread that kindness had upped and flown away.

I do not think that Harry would be the least concerned that he is so far down the line of succession - I am guessing that he would be heaving a sigh of relief!

Fennel and others, I agree.
I thought that most people want a slimmed down monarchy and now we will get one sooner than we thought.

Andrew, sacked and out of the public gaze
Harry and Meghan emigrating

I think they could have shown better manners though, most people have to give proper notice to their boss.

Anne has always been an essential part of the royal party,
supports her mother and brother, does much for charities, and knew she would never be in line for the throne.

When I mentioned the photo of the Queen and future monarchs, I just meant that the photo was more proof to Harry that he was no longer considered an essential part of the royal family. Not that the taking of the photo upset him. If you see what I am trying to say.

Agree completely. No idea what the fuss is about. Harry and Meghan are free to choose what they want. All the stuff about how they're going to cope is daft. They are middle-aged and quite capable of running their own lives. I love the royal family and am aware that they bring in big business for England but I think their lives are awful - all that dressing up as though for a wedding every day.

Because we regard them as public property. Their lifestyle is funded to a great extent by the British public, and we are entitled to get something in return. The way they have behaved shows contempt for us and the queen. They were even reluctant to tell us the news when the baby was born, as if we had no right to know.

Expecting to be shot down - But -
Why has this story become so high - profile?
Many of us have had similar dramas in our families. We certainly have.
So why is the Royal Family different?