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Thomas Markle programme

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Artdecogran Wed 22-Jan-20 22:59:02

All I can say is wow. My head is spinning with what I heard and saw. I did have sympathy for Harry and Meghan but hearing how Thomas was thrown to the wolves and left to fend for himself against the media onslaught has changed my opinion. He admitted to some lies but on the whole I thought he came across as a very sad old man, who had once upon a time had a close relationship with his beloved daughter. At the end of the programme where he commented on H & M leaving the royal family, I thought his summing up was accurate. This has all turned into a huge sorry mess hasn’t it.

DillytheGardener Fri 24-Jan-20 15:18:39

Goodness just saw a rumour that M&H may do an interview on Ellen. I get the inclination to want to give their side, but also this won’t help give them privacy.
Neither are the brightest or self aware. They’d be best to stick to Kate Moss’s never complain never explain

JenniferEccles Fri 24-Jan-20 15:10:59

I wonder if H and M have seen the programme.

Although I can kind of see why he did it as his only means of communicating with his daughter, it was a risky strategy.

Meghan could well be absolutely furious that family videos of her as a child were broadcast to millions.

We all know she likes attention and publicity, but on her own terms.

I guess he felt he had nothing to lose.

Oopsminty Fri 24-Jan-20 14:27:35

trisher.

His first wife has advised H&M to keep Archie well away from him.

You posted this comment not long ago

Now you're saying his ex wife wouldn't need contact with H&M

So how has she passed on these words of wisdom to the couple?

Telepathy? Pigeon post?

He was also very upfront and honest about accepting money for interviews he's given

Anyhow, I'll leave you to it.

Jabberwok Fri 24-Jan-20 14:26:27

Perhaps if PH had been introduced to his prospective FIL as you would expect, conversations about procedure, press intrusion and so on could have been discussed at the time, then if TM had chosen to ignore this then clearly the couple would have had good reason to be angry, but to barely acknowledge his existence is rather leaving things to chance and risking exactly what they now have. Reaping what you sow comes to mind!

trisher Fri 24-Jan-20 14:21:40

Oopsminty why would his ex-wife need contact with H&M to discredit Thomas M? What she lists is a man who failed to take responsibility for his two children either financially or practically.Now I'm willing to accept that all she says may not be true but he obviously isn't as upright and honest as he claims.
As for how much he has made £100,000 for the pre wedding photos.£7,000 for Good Morning. Nice start!

Oopsminty Fri 24-Jan-20 14:16:12

I think he gave this interview because he knows his daughter and he's well aware that she will never speak to him again

In some ways I see it as a way for him to keep on touch

Being able to show off photos and talk about her to people

It snowballed out of control and I think it's very sad

Callistemon Fri 24-Jan-20 14:14:25

No-one knows what goes on in a family but patterns of behaviour don't change and TM seeems to have spent his life avoiding responsibility and expecting others to pay the bills.
Well, I think he "squandered" his lottery winnings bringing up Meghan and paying for her expensive school..

Summerlove Fri 24-Jan-20 14:11:39

But why should he have to be told not to speak to the media? He is not a stupid man, and knows how this works with regards to paparazzi and media.

Can anyone of us honestly say we would feel we would have to advise our parents not to speak to the media about us?

Has he been treated poorly by his daughter? Perhaps. However I don’t believe that anything happens in a vacuum, and there’s a lot behind the scenes going on that most people are not aware of.

Going on television for this interview is a way of him attempting to manipulate and control the narrative. It’s interesting that he has praised by some for doing so.

Oopsminty Fri 24-Jan-20 14:03:08

trisher

Metro?

Really?

You're quoting an article in Metro?

Do you honestly believe that this first wife has any contact with H&M??

That's very naive of you

Jabberwok Fri 24-Jan-20 13:52:49

I think it's the behaviour of M &H towards him since their engagement that TM feels bitter about and feels that they owe him, not the years he supported her before her elevation into places where it was made clear he was not grand enough to be included.

JenniferEccles Fri 24-Jan-20 13:31:11

Does anyone honestly believe that his eldest children would have wanted to live with him if he was as bad as the ex wife claims?

They were in their teens when Meghan was small so would have been well aware of his behaviour if it was that bad.

Whichever way we look at the situation it always comes back to Meghan behaving in a very callous manner towards him.

DillytheGardener Fri 24-Jan-20 13:24:51

I’m not sure how I feel. The reporter failed to ask why he is estranged from his other children and grandchildren. His other daughter is also estranged from her own children. They seem like a dysfunctional and strange family.
One of my closest girlfriends from school is estranged from her family, it took her getting married and gaining a normal family to step back from them. She always spoke fondly of them, but my experience of them were that they were nasty individuals and I supported her in making the decision to no longer see them.
None of us knows what went on before this falling out, perhaps the parts of the Duchesses letter he chose not to release describe this.
His insistence he is owed is rather odd, you raise children to go into the world and support themselves, not to pay you back.
My mothers rule keep your grievances to blood, meaning don’t air your dirty laundry I think is valid one. I lost all sympathy for him once he repeatedly went to the press.

Anniebach Fri 24-Jan-20 13:10:04

His first wife said ? ? And she advises M & H !

trisher Fri 24-Jan-20 13:08:44

Link here metro.co.uk/2019/05/11/meghan-fool-let-dad-thomas-markle-baby-archies-life-says-ex-wife-9497901/
Now I realise ex partners don't always give 100% truth, but if someone says they were not supported, he had affairs and took cocaine, I'm inclined think there is germ of truth there. And then you think possibly at 11 MM thought her dad was OK and maybe she found out as she grew older what he was really like and he obviously thinks she owes him and will sell any story for cash.

Oopsminty Fri 24-Jan-20 12:42:36

TM is a very dodgy character. His first wife has advised H&M to keep Archie well away from him.

Haha .. where did you get that info from?

Did you see the programme?

Did you see the beautiful speech Meghan gave 5 years ago?

Wishing that there were more men like her father in the world

Can you imagine if they did visit and support him? It would turn into an endless stream where he threatened to sell his story if they didn't give him more money, over and over again

How do you know that?

Are you a fly on the wall?

trisher Fri 24-Jan-20 12:37:39

TM is a very dodgy character. His first wife has advised H&M to keep Archie well away from him. No-one knows what goes on in a family but patterns of behaviour don't change and TM seeems to have spent his life avoiding responsibility and expecting others to pay the bills. Can you imagine if they did visit and support him? It would turn into an endless stream where he threatened to sell his story if they didn't give him more money, over and over again.

Yehbutnobut Fri 24-Jan-20 12:37:10

I don’t know why some people can’t see this man for what he is.

Anniebach Fri 24-Jan-20 12:36:14

I didn’t say what he did was a reaction to the stupid remark by
Harry. The royal family are being blamed for not advise
Mr Markle , had they been told - there was no fsmily ?

Yehbutnobut Fri 24-Jan-20 12:34:57

It was entirely up to this man to keep his mouth shut.

Summerlove Fri 24-Jan-20 12:32:42

Harry’s comments were absolutely ridiculous and uncalled for. The only thing I can think is perhaps he meant a large family gathering where as her family had only had small gatherings in the past. Either way, it was thoughtless and uncalled for.

But it’s common sense not to speak to the media about your family. Thomas’ daughter was already a minor celebrity in Hollywood. This wasn’t a completely new Thing for him. He worked in Hollywood. So unless he is ridiculously stupid man, he knew this and did it anyway.

None of what he did was a proportionate reaction to a thoughtless comment. If in fact that was the reasoning he did it.

Anniebach Fri 24-Jan-20 12:08:42

It was up to his daughter and son in law to advise him surely ?
Did not Harry say she now had a family when she spent a Christmas with the royals before they married ?

Summerlove Fri 24-Jan-20 12:04:31

The royal family can’t be blamed for it, does a 38 year old woman and a 35 year old man need to be advised how to treat a father/father in law

If this is the case, then why on earth do so many expect that a much older man would need his hand held and told how to react to the press? That the royal family should have stepped in and told him How to treat his daughter? Not speaking to the press is common sense.

Anniebach Fri 24-Jan-20 12:02:26

Yet all those photographs no older children

Callistemon Fri 24-Jan-20 11:56:04

I'm not sure, presumably they must have been there some of the time then.

Anniebach Fri 24-Jan-20 11:54:50

Did he have custody of his children from the first marriage?