Robbie Williams and surrogacy

So she outsourced all the physical risk..
.. to someone less rich..

A protitute's view- The English Collective of Prostitutes prostitutescollective.net/2020/01/opendemocracy-the-false-feminism-of-criminalising-sex-workers-clients/

Kim Kardashian for example. Unusually open about her surrogacies

She didnt want another difficult pregnancy. She carried her first.

Annie a lot of rich couples who use surogacy are not infertile...

siblings? 2 are from Mum and Dad, the other 2 are from rent a womb.

suzie the infertile woman + the surrogate woman = 2 women

suzie. A woman can not conceive or cannot carry a baby

This is RWs FOURTH child..

Surogates often have their own children too so surogacy also affects:
Their daughters
Their son's view of women
The infant who may be a girl..
A male infants views of women as they grow after beinv a product of surrogacy
Siblings of the baby born in surrogacy

Really annie so there’s only one woman in this?

Infant atatchment is distinct from "bonding" in terms of infant psychology.

An infant can "bond" with anyone.
Infants have an "attatchment" to their mother. The physical body that gestated and nourished them. Early separation has lifeling physical and mental health consequences. Attatchment theory is WIDELY accepted in medical and social care circles.... until a male gay couple or rich privilidged couple want a womb to rent then its ignored..
Thats why in postnatal psychosis, where the mother sometimes tries to kill the infant, they are taken in as inpatients together under close supervision while the mother is treated rather than separated temporarily, due to the long lasting damage to the child of early infant separation from their mothers.

How do you reconcile that with surogacy?

Most of the industry is operating unchecked. India's medical research watchdog drafted regulations more than two years ago, yet they still await presentation in parliament, leaving the surrogates and baby factories open to abuse.

From Wiki

suzie. A woman can not conceive or cannot carry a baby,
a surrogate has the baby for her .

Unless the surrogacy is only for two homosexuals who want a child

I'm all ears Annie. Really?

Well she is less likely to get assaulted when shoplifting, so yes I would make that choice too.

Do you mean the most deprived areas Trisher.

I think in the great scheme of things I’d prefer my dd to shoplift rather than do sex work. Yeah I know very odd of me. She did once travel on a train without a ticket and I read her the riot act without my heart breaking

Well annie why not provide some evidence as to how surrogacy benefits women? Evidence you know as in links to serious articles and research.

suziewoozie I think there are many parts of society where the morality supported by most on GN is largely ignored. It means shop lifted goods are openly acknowledged and traded. And sex is just another activity undertaken on a whim and sometimes for cash. How much the women becoming sex workers are affected by things may very well depend on how their community views them. And just as you wouldn't want your DD to be a sex worker I don't suppose you would want her shop lifting either. But some places both are usual.

Thanks for the link notanan2 very informative. Let's hope there's a change in the prostitution perspective. Moving forward into the 2020s

The myth of the happy hooker, of the women who 'choose' to be sex workers is largely just that, a myth.
There is a body of research as Greymar says about the links between children who experience sexual abuse becoming sex workers. Anyone who has worked with sex workers is more than aware of that.
I can't recall the name of the US sex/porn worker who for a long time claimed she was making positive choices. Later in life she said she realised she'd been sexually exploited all her life. She went on to work with sex/porn workers to support them.
Surrogacy carries all kinds of potential emotional difficulties for the child, the surrogate and the parents. Being a parents is probably one of the most challenging things any of us do. Reading the posts on gransnet suggests that continues long after our children become adults and parents themselves.

Approx 6 women in each country

www.spectator.co.uk/2017/08/most-sex-workers-are-modern-day-slaves/

Surrogacy benefits woman is nonsense GreyMar ?

Yes it was natural selection, brutal.

Nothing natural about some rich person buying a womb.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5376077/Amsterdam-call-time-myth-happy-hooker.html