Caroline Flack Dead

Maybe its time we tackled our press ....they can destroy lives by their constant "celebrity" rubbish & lies they print in the newspapers. We seem to be one of the worst countries for our tabloid press gossip. Ladies I suggest we stop buying these newspapers.

Very sad and tragic. I never watched her shows as it's not my sort of thing but I am aware how much loved she was by many viewers as well as her family and friends.

Separately however, I also think the CPS had done no wrong. Firstly they could not know how near the edge she was - no one did not even the friend who was staying with her.

The police policy changed some time ago in response to women withdrawing their allegations under pressure from the abuser, or even just because they were blinded by love. Now the police charge if they can see physical evidence even if the original accuser tries to withdraw the claim.

Then the next policy change was because it came to light that many men were also abused by women, so they changed their handling of it to make it fairer.

In fact Caroline probably didn't need to fear the outcome since once it was before the court the judge would have had a chance to take into account her mental state and assess how genuinely her boyfriend wanted to give her another chance, and would probably either have thrown it out entirely or given a conditional discharge telling her to have some therapy.

Sadly she couldn't await the outcome

Yes Iam I have watched it once as I try to keep up with popular culture to see where it’s heading. My lovely hairdresser watches it - none of that makes it acceptable does it ? Or take away responsibility from producers and presenters for what they put on our screens. And damage as I’m sure you know can be slow burning and invidious.

My son and I loved her. We have watched her on everything since Bo Selecta except for Love Island. We watched her recording a game show with Vernon Kay. I haven’t been this upset about a celebrity death since Princess Diana. I am going to miss her unique laugh and bubbly personality. Social media has a lot to answer to.

Sorry that went without me pressing it! Yes as I was saying you have helped me and I will continue to read the threads and ignore the not so nice ones.

It’s just a sad world interesting reading some of the comment. I feel I read comments with good advice on gransnet the not so nice ones I ignore. I don’t really do the political threads on here and enjoy gransnet as I feel it helps me through some tough times especially when my mum died and the coomme

urmstongran I understand that the current term is "completed suicide" not "committed".

Being ‘PC’ here for a moment.....

Why do we still say someone ‘committed’ suicide? It’s no longer a ‘crime’ as it was in the past. Has ‘taken their own life’ is surely more appropriate?

I suppose I shouldn't comment about Love Island as it isn't something I'd choose to watch. Have you watched it sooziewoozie? Your comment about it being an utterly vile programme fit with my prejudice about these kind of shows. However, last time my hair was cut, the young women (all around early 30's) were talking about LI and clearly enjoying it lots. These are an interesting group of young entrepreneurs, some of them I've know from high school age. They work hard, are supportive of each other, love their families, are building successful businesses so -a group to like and admire. I haven't changed my view of programmes like Love Island, I don't like reality tv anyway. It all seems designed to humiliate and entertain in a base way.
There!

This is tragic.

Sparkling I really think it’s harmful for young ( and not so young) people to watch programmes like Love Island. There’s much more healthy fantasy and dreams to be chasing. It is an utterly utterly vile programme based on the dehumanisation and objectification of people.

I think that’s a tall order Galaxy

Strong

TerriBull good post. Paramedics were called to the scene btw Of course any suicide is sad. But the coverage of this is beyond acceptable. It’s the lead story on BH fgs and still going string 14 minutes later.

She was beautiful on Strictly, never watched any of her other shows, not my thing. Totally against the concept of Love Island and such programmes, but my grandchildren love and watch them. It's a fantasy world they are chasing.
My sincere condolences to her family and her friends, it is heartbreaking for a beautiful talented woman to be so broken.
God bless her.

I think it would be helpful to separate the issue from the person if you know what I mean. Its important to talk about domestic violence, or drink driving, or surrogacy. Perhaps it's the personalisation that is the issue.

I'm very sorry she took her own life. I read about the "lamp throwing debacle", only her and her partner can know what happened, allegedly there was a lot of blood after the incident and although he denies he was assaulted, he was, I believe, treated in hospital in the aftermath. Controversy does surround her and previous problematic relationships and she appeared to live her life on the edge. Nevertheless if it had been the other way round, and it was a male celebrity accused of assaulting his female partner, would there be such an outpouring of what we have now come to expect in such circumstances tedious "Twitter grief".

Once again I am sorry that she took this decision and for her family.

There are probably hundreds of people at least who are feeling guilt today - suicide does that to the left behind. And yes dealing with friends with mental health problems can be very draining and one’s own life has to be lived. We’ve seen loving partners on GN post of the emotional costs of dealing with high need partners

The alleged assault was serious according to reports in the immediate aftermath. The CPS wouldn't support a criminal trial without strong belief it would result in conviction. The fact her boyfriend didn't want her prosecuted is not unusual in domestic abuse. There have been a number of threads on gransnet where posters have complained that women who attack partners aren't criticised in the same way that males facing allegations of abuse are.

It seems that Caroline Flack has talked about her struggles with mental health in the past, as well as in recent on line posts. As others have said, she's the third young person involve in the Love Island programme to commit suicide. The smiles, the beauty, the constant appearance of happiness can be a mask. Robbie Williams and so many others.

It was upsetting to read that Caroline had said in October last year (before the domestic abuse incident) that she had confided her mental health anxieties to a friend and was crushed to be told she was ‘draining’.

I bet that person feels mortified now and that comment will haunt them. It’s sad for whoever it was too, as he/she possibly didn’t realise just how vulnerable CF was feeling.

Sometimes words can unintentionally sting more than intended.
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This is a terribly sad situation. And whilst I agree with a lot of comments being made online that the newspapers are at fault for hounding her, and for writing their sensationalist stories about her, I think we, the public, should also be looking at our own behaviour and our own posting habits.

It's all too easy to sit at home, safe behind the anonymity of an online pseudonym, and post comments and remarks about other people, be they celebrities or other posters, without having a second thought as to how those comments may be received or how they may affect the person they are being made about.

I have been saddened at some of the comments I have read on Gransnet recently, and the Robbie Williams thread about surrogacy comes to mind, as well as a lot of the threads about the Royal Family and the comments about Meghan Markle. There are some really spiteful comments on those threads - comments that I am quite sure wouldn't be made to the subject if they were face to face.

I will definitely stop and think twice before posting anything negative in future. I hope I've not been spiteful in comments I've made, or deliberately hurtful, but I can't honestly say I haven't. It's too easy to dash off a response and click send, in the heat of the moment.

My mother's mantra of "If you've nothing nice to say, say nothing at all" is never more true.

There are a lot of issues here and the blanket coverage on both social media and MSM is not helping with having any perspective. Like many people I only heard of her because of the court case. I had heard of Love Island because two previous contestants had committed suicide. My personal view is that programmes like that are vile and do untold damage to both contestants and the wider society.

Her agency is now accusing the CPS of a ‘show trial’. This would be funny if it wasn’t so serious. I bet they didn’t want a trial - how much money do they make from her.? The CPS decided there was a case to answer. It doesn’t matter what the assaulted partner wanted. Imagine a case where the CPS don’t prosecute a woman who attacks her partner because he doesn’t want it and she goes on to attack another partner. Yes I can imagine she was very upset by the court case and its impact on her career but many people who appear in court are very upset - their careers and reputations in tatters. That’s no reason to not prosecute. Because someone is famous doesn’t mean they are more upset as human beings than anyone else.

The hypocrisy on MS and social media now about all this is breathtaking. The celeb world is cruel and harsh - the rewards and punishments are great. Both sides feed off each other. Nothing will change once the dust settles over this case. It never does - there are too many vested interests and too much money involved in the shallow celebrity merry go round.

Her partner must have reported her to the police?
How else did they know about it?

I Don’t really understand why she was on trial she was accused of hitting her partner with a lamp she denied it and he didn’t want to pursue it and yet the CPS went ahead and put her on trial the couple were not allowed to meet although they both wanted to spend Christmas together it all seems to have got completely out of kilter and I would think the legal teams hell bent on pursuing this are also to blame unless there is much more to this then has come out
Poor lady obviously felt trapped and we don’t know what messages she was receiving from social media
the partner must be in bits

Dreadfully sad - the media have a lot to answer for. Such a beautiful girl in the prime of her life. I don't watch Love Island but knew her from other shows she had presented. Her family and ex (who didn't want the assault trial to take place) must be devastated