Caroline Flack Dead

I suspect that if such an attack had been made by a man, no matter how charming/glamorous, people would not be rushing to excuse him or to say that external forces made him do it.

Oh I dont know, Johnny Depp is doing alright!

I think a lot of people still cant rectify that a witty likable public face could have a dark behind doors persona.

If people have liked celsb they are very reluctant to accept that they liked someone capable of DV. Even when the Saville case first broke many people were reluctant to believe it.

People take it personally because they like to think they would spot a wrong'un..

Seems CF was a damaged soul. Her boyfriend was trying to ‘look after her’ in that relationship. It seems CF was quite volatile. A lot to handle - away from the television cameras.

Of course the bail terms had to be no contact ,otherwise he would have tried to change his story or been influenced by her.I know this happen s when its men beating women....my own daughter did it .She returned to the abuser to be abused again.Theres no evidence that says men behave any differently .She did it once there is strong evidence that abusers keep abusing .Of course its sad she committed suicide ,her family will be devastated But she wasn't treated unfairly by the system and to suggest that is to leave the door open when it happens to someone else ,some man who isn't involved with a glamourous celeb.If it were your son would you want her prosecuted and kept away from him?

I read an article in the Telegraph yesterday which described Caroline Flack's unprovoked attack on her sleeping boyfriend. If this account was accurate, it was a brutal and sustained attack. I was very struck by the measured tone of the newspaper article, compared with all the #bekind stuff on social media. I suspect that if such an attack had been made by a man, no matter how charming/glamorous, people would not be rushing to excuse him or to say that external forces made him do it.

If prosecution of domestic violence changes due to this case, it is women who will suffer the most.

paddyanne

I have seen in the past articles on how women are given harsher sentencing in Court than men.
Also I have noticed even today about an ex footballer not being prosecuted by the CPS.
Maybe I am not correct but this is the impression i have from years of reading on the topic.
The reason given is that unconsciously women are expected to behave better than men and therefore are going to be judged harsher.

I think the CPS were making a showtrial to say "look we prosecute the women too" and in this case they were picking on a very vulnerable woman.

Normally I am biased against celebs tbh but in this case I feel she was treated too harshly. Like the Bail terms meaning no contact with the BF.

There had to be a prosecution, abused women have been intimidated by abusive partners frightening them into trying
to stop charges .

I was quite surprised at her family making public her last instagram. Thought they wanted privacy.

Yes I agree, it would be excruciating.

She was dreading the body cam footage being shown though as it was going to court. Put your hand up anyone who hasn't had a hissy fit and wouldn't be mortified if it had been filmed and was going to be shown to the world. My hands are staying firmly down!!

love0c, and very possibly the court would have come to that conclusion, which is why we have courts. They are the ones whose job it is to elicit all the details and who would have been happy to see Caroline walk free as an innocent woman if they agreed with your conclusion. If only she could have waited.

I understand the need to prosecute in certain circumstances. I do not believe this was one of them. They both had family who they could turn to, they had no children, they also both very financially secure. I don't believe either one of them was frightened of leaving the relationship or indeed seems neither wanted to anyway. Why then insist on prosecuting CF. Partner didn't want to prosecute. Simply a high profile case and CF was an easy target. Absolutely dreadful where a young women was driven to suicide. Not in anyone's interest to go ahead with the case.

I totally agree kissngate.. I would think that is why CF was dreading the bodycam evidence being revealed.

And why don't celebrities go to normal accredited psychotherapists instead of all these weird treatments they tend to gravitate to.

From more recent coverage, I get the impression something was troubling her even before the incident with the lamp, or why would she even have been in that state at the time?

If the media are informed they have a right to report it , sadly
many will want to know every detail.

pinkquartz I dont think the authorities are harder on women but they do need to prosecute when they see fit.The media shouldn't be releasing details of how CF died it can lead to copycat attempts .I think the whole situation has been badly handled.The coverage is ramping up public feelings against the CPS who have a difficult enough job woithout this

The family need to stop posting on social media for their own sake. Having worked over the years for various solicitors, the CPS will have evidence to prosecute. The CPS Barrister stated in court that they have a recording of a 4 minute 999 call which he made, bodycam evidence on arrival at the property both visual and sound (abusive language directed to bf) as well as footage of her at the police station kicking a table over and having to be restrained. They should stop trying to change the facts and shift blame. A private family burial with no media statements is what should happen.

No? but they are much tougher on women than men.

None of us were there, were we? The CPS will have decided the case should go ahead on the basis of the evidence. The 999 call, the victim statement, the crime scene. The bar is high, but it must have been met. They don't prosecute for the fun of it.

Her boyfriend only had a scratch on his head!
The blood in the bedroom was hers.

I still think the CPS were wrong.
They don't persue most male domestic violence so forcefully.
It was because she was a young woman and famous.

And they'll probably end up having to read all the ugliness on their social media pages

I wasn't attacking them, I was just wondering whether it was a good idea for THEIR sakes. It's just gonna open a public debate about whether or not she abused her partner, rather than celebrating her memory.

Her family are posting what she wasn’t allowed to post whilst she was alive. They’re trying to put her side of the story across as she wasn’t able to. It’s her grieving family. Goodness sake, leave them alone. She hung herself fgs!

The family asked for privacy, now they're posting her instagram posts that she had decided not to post. Now she'll never stand trial so we will never be able to fairly decide what actually happened, but it seems to me the family are just opening themselves - and her - to posthumous abusive messages, when up till now the main attitude has been that whatever happened is superceded by her tragic death. The family are saying "she was innocent" is just going to bring alive all the people who are gonna yell back "no she was a drunken domestic abuser" or whatever worse they might call her. I think she should be left to RIP at this stage