Caroline Flack Dead

If you go onto market history on right move you can often pull up pics from last time it sold
(You can do this when buying, look at the details and pics of the previous sale!
They arent always still on there but often are

It does matter how the photographs were in the Mail, if passed
on by a friend the responsibility lies with the friend

Very easy to get the photos

The property is a rental

I think any of us could have found them on Zoopla or local letting agencies

They are just photos advertising the property

Not of Caroline's life there

I am actually worried about the boyfriend now. Although it seems like he was completely justified in calling the police when he did, he must be feeling terribly conflicted over whether he did the right thing, especially as he continued to love her. And he may be wondering if he had just risked the bail conditions to see her on Valentines day it might have saved her life. He did nothing wrong, but he must be wondering if he did. I hope he is also getting plenty of support.

It doesn’t actually matter how - publishing them is the ‘journalism’ of the sewer.

I think the answer is £££££££££

How did they get the photographs? Did a friend ! give them

The DM much loved by many a GNer has published photographs of the interior of CF’s flat with a headline along the lines of ‘Inside the £3000 a month flat where CF killed herself’

annie by personalising the issue ( bravely) I think you’ve actually shed light on how uninformed the reaction is to CF’s death. Every suicide is different, a tragedy to those who cared for the person and people want to be able to cope with their feelings. The only suicide I’ve been close to was a friend not in my small close circle. I won’t go through the details but I knew he was in a dark sad place, he was in my kitchen the day before, I tried to reach out. When he died I was so angry with his dd ( who had put him in an impossible situation) but I know some of my anger was anger at myself because I felt I’d failed him. I know of course that’s not true but at the time I felt so guilty and questioned what more I should have done. Obviously I’m not comparing yours and mine experience but just offering a further ( limited) insight.
I just wish the present coverage would stop being so hypocritical and hyper.

Thank you x

I didn’t mean this to be about me, so much is being said in
the media about the poor woman, blame being tossed to
the production company, the CPS etc. I hadn’t heard of her
untill her death.

When my darling daughter died I blamed the medical team,
the hospital where she had been treated several times, the police, the housing officer for refusing to allocate me a two
bedroom bungalow so she could live with me, I asked myself
what more could I have done.

We don’t know how this poor woman died, we don’t know if
she left a letter, she may not have wanted to die , she may
have had a history of mental health problems.

I seemed to have silenced this thread with my post, I speak
out about mental illness because it has always been in the
shadows, it brings shame, critcism, judgement.

It needs to be spoken about, it can affect anyone, any family.

Sorry for disrupting the thread.

Annie xx [flowers}

I could cry for you Anniebach
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Anniebach my heart is full - I have no words to say how moved I am by your post.

I am so sorry to hear that, Anniebach ?

Quite, Anniebach.

I recently read an article saying that in fact suicide is mostly a spontaneous event and that the person usually only makes the decision ten or fifteen minutes before they take action. It’s very hard for anyone else to be able to prevent that, given the short timescale. One of dd’s friends died through suicide last year. She had been out walking one evening, swapping normal messages on her phone with someone from work. The next day, she didn’t turn up at work - she’d killed herself shortly after her final message. To this day, no one knows why, she left no clue at all. Her mother says it was a moment of madness.

Also, despite the tragic cases we hear about, people are mostly not very successful. Dd has worked in A&E for a time as part of her medic training and many people are admitted, having attempted suicide. Most of them required no treatment (though everyone is offered an immediate appointment with a psychiatrist) while others need monitoring or some treatment. Not one of them was successful, thank goodness, and their families must be so grateful for that.

Anniebach

Anniebach
Thats exactly what I mean.
Suicide doesnt mean that noone was there/cared x

A lot of cases its a lack of good psychiatry not a lack of listening/caring friends and family.
And sometimes the psychiatry IS there and its still not enough

Its just too much to expect lay friends and family to be able to treat a medical condition, even if they wish with all their hearts they could

Annie
That's truly heartbreaking.
You sound like a really lovely mother.

This is difficult , but if it helps anyone

My beloved daughter attempted suicide several times and self
harmed, took overdoses, cut wrists .

I listened to her, held her, she loved having me stroke her head even when a little one. I was stroking her head and we
talked of the suicide attempt,she had just come out of hospital again, she said ‘Mum I don’t want to die, I want help’.

The times she was admitted to hospital and I begged them to
help her I was told ‘ we only treat physical illnesses’.

When she did take her life she did want to die, no pills, no
.knife, she went to the river at 5.00am and jumped from the
bridge.

So suicide attempts can be a cry for help but no one who could really help did. I begged for help , was told ‘you know
your daughter has bipolar, we can’t discuss it with you,
patient confidentiality ‘

Notanan2, and that is so right. Well it is true that some people kill themselves completely clear-headedly in order to achieve an aim such as ensuring their family get the insurance or to avoid a painful disease. But mostly self-harm and suicide is the outcome of a psychiatric disease. Like with most diseases, the love and support of a family and friends can bring comfort and make it a bit easier, but sometimes with all that AND a skilled psychiatrist, the illness remains intractable and the person dies. Or is kept alive but suffering.

gangy, I guess that is the trouble with wall to wall news. The media seize on something and it is inescapable for a few days.

This is always said in suicide cases and its so often not true.
Very often people who commit suicide HAVE reached out, HAVE reached for help and HAVE loved ones trying to support them.
All this "just reach out" stuff on social media is guff. Whats needed is investment in psychiatry. Its medicine.

If someone died waiting for cancer treatment nobody would assume that they hadnt saught help and that they had no friend/family support.

I hate those "just reach out" memes/campaigns because my first thought is always "then what?"
If I need psychiatric help its nice that friends/family care but they cannot give me the help I actually need

I feel bed for the grieving family/friends when people assume the deceased had noone to reach out to. Often their loved ones were banging their head against brick walls trying to get them access to psychiatry!

I find it sad that CF seems to have had no one to turn to for help.

tickingbird, that could be related to this thread, if fear of prison was one of the things troubling her. I am sure the thought of having to deal with other prisoners must bother people who might face it just as much as simply having to spend time locked away.

Of course she was a risk to others and particularly her partner.