16000 new staff required for new Excel Hospital

That's a good question MawB. I've been to education shows, dog shows, cookery, demonstrations, wedding fayres etc. at the Excel and there are toilets all over the place on all levels. Lots of disabled ones too. I assume the patients in the beds won't be walking up and down much to use the toilets so it's really only nursing staff and doctors. So where is the problem with a lack of toilets?

Could you expand on the lack of toilet and washing facilities, please patcaf
As a conference centre I would have expected it to have more than adequate toilet facilities?
And why the disparity in the numbers?

There are actually only 450 beds in the new unit. Capacity for 4000 but this level will probably never be reached. The beds are not ICU so require fewer staff. The beds will most likely be used as a step down facility for people who are recovering to free up hospital beds. If things get very bad ,they will be used as a last resort to keep people comfortable who are beyond treatment; but this is most unlikely. So we are probably looking at 500 trained staff maximum with similar number of HCA staff. Many will come from the armed forces and from returnees. The problem will be the lack of toilet and washing facilities which will place a great amount of work on the HCA staff.

Not as inflammatory as your reply to my comment Iam64 !

I think the NHS staff would appreciate being told the truth as well. Promising them jam tomorrow really isn't right.

My question was asking you to clarify your criticism if the newly built hospital Ellenvannin. I saw your comment as inflammatory, not my question but hey ho.
I've no problem with questioning or challenging the misinformation Mr Gove seems happy to spread on a daily basis. I'm happy to praise the government for getting this resource up so quickly. The problem with nurses links to leaving the EU and removal of the bursary - of course, I hoe that Mr Gove's newly found admiration of the NHS, nurses and public servants generally is genuine!

I think people would rather they were honest and not try to spin/ avoid uncomfortable questions/ lie. People are very trusting if they think we are being kept in the dark for our own good, rather than to protect the government’s back.

Same here, Barmeyoldbat, our DS is a scientist and all top secret. It has to be like this otherwise all of us speculators, complainers, do gooders, pontificators etc. would bring the country to a standstill or cause untold panic. I agee Urm the powers that be are trying to keep a lid on many things for the right reasons.

My gs has been asked to work for the MOD, but can't tell where or what, just that he will be leaving home and returning when its all over.

From The Guardian on line just now:

Once operational, Nightingale will be staffed by NHS specialists working around the clock with the support of hundreds of volunteers from the St John Ambulance Service – and, after they have been trained, cabin crew from Easyjet and Virgin Atlantic, who are otherwise out of work.

Richard Lee, the chief operating officer at St John Ambulance, said the numbers of his charity’s volunteers at the site would eventually reach 500 in around three weeks, split into two 12-hour shifts. “Our people have needed little encouragement to step up,” Lee said.

I've worked in a pandemic in 1957 and the staff were falling like ninepins. We had cleaning staff helping out.

It could also be said that the government are putting as positive a spin on things as is possible so as not to frighten us. What good would more gloom and doom do right now?

I’m sure all concerned are working incredibly hard to put in place what they can and when they can.

Blimey, things are bad enough without someone leaping in with an inflammatory question---- a twisted one at that as I didn't say the hospital shouldn't have been built ! ( rolls eyes )

Because of the lack of testing on NHS staff and given that they're in the thick of it, they'll be lucky that most of the staff aren't off sick !! Testing should have been the first priority. I posted about this weeks ago.

It's because this government has succesively during this crisis announced things that aren't happening and some of us feel it's OK to question their assertions particularly when they know front line staff have been promised testing for weeks and it's still not in place. It is resulting in staff who might be working self isolating.Someone said on TV that one study showed only 15% of staff absent becuse of coughs tested positive. That's 85% who could have been working.

I didn't question China when they built their hospital because I was already aware that their population far outnumbers ours and the amount of staff needed wouldn't have been so difficult to find.

I think it must be a British ‘thing’ GG13 or because Boris is heading the government.

No, Iam64. I'm meaning the many members of staff that will be needed to man it !

When the Chinese Government built their "field hospital" I cannot remember anyone on GN querying where the staff where going to be found? All and sundry had nothing but praise.

These are unprecedented times, if you watch the news you would have seen the following St.Johns Ambulance Staff have been released from their "day jobs", EasyJet, Virgin Atlantic and BA first aid trained cabin crew are being asked to volunteer.

So easy to knock the UK all the time, but ready to praise "odious regimes"

Well said Maw!
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If there’s any “nurse counting” to be done they should bring in Diane Abbott it’s her speciality ....

Cabin crew I think are being asked to help. I don’t think it is nay saying to ask where the staffing will come from. The powers that be just need to give us honest answers.

I can only speak for the overseas unit I personally know of they have been in isolation on base, other details are classified.

MawB it isn't wrong to think there might be problems. It is wrong to announce something without the proper processes in place but then this is what this government has done consistently- Testing for instance.

GG13 if they are brought back won't they need to isolate for 14 days?

It is so easy to KNOCK isn’t it?
Yes, shouty capitals, but instead of being pleased that this new facility is being built, why must there be the inevitable nay-sayers who know better?
This far from the “can-do” attitude we need to come through this