Boris..intensive care..

Yes air quality does make sense too. Respiratory issues.

Good points craftyone. I for one am watching Sweden with interest.

Very Trump-like.

hetty you sound like Trump???

Air quality and survival rate is being looked at. Makes sense.

China has a lot to answer for. If they hadn't just covered up the truth in December, so many lives could have been saved:

www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/chinas-devastating-lies/

Sweden is an experiment? For God's Sake.

I think China actually showed the way by early imposition of lockdown.

Blood Group is an interesting one.

Did I read somewhere that those with blood group A are more susceptible?

considering that scientists were witheld information by china and that that our scientists had to hit the ground running, they are doing a sterling job and the government, very wisely, has been listening to the experts. Sweden will be an interesting case, a control, an experiment. We willl eventually be able to compare our results with theirs, taking into account various factors like ages, lifestyle, race, blood groups etc

Herd immunity was the original approach. That is a fact. The policy was only dropped after several reports showed the likelihood that the NHS would be overwhelmed,

That this was a deliberate attempt to kill off OAPs is unlikely, but they may indeed have been regarded as collateral casualties. Luckily more sensible advice was needed, but of course by then the death rate was already rising and the horse had bolted.

Hetty Yes propaganda. I was replying to a post stating BJ and his team were going with the herd immunity strategy in order to kill off the elderly, therefore saving money in pensions. That is propaganda. When it became apparent many thousands would die they changed direction. Sweden are going with the herd immunity strategy and it looks as if their infection and death figures are rising faster now and they will probably change direction. It’s a totally new situation for any government and I don’t believe it’s a case of “oh let’s just kill off the elderly and save a few quid”

I wish people would quote their sources on here.

His temperature has fallen, he is on the road to recovery. Prayers have been answered

Rubbish mis-information on some posts. He was given only 4l of O2, a small amount, a venturi {simple} mask releases O2 at 4l/minute. The norm for ICU is 15 litres O2 as a starting point. Not intubated, no ventilator, just a simple mask like people would be given by paramedics

He will soon be home again and we have a good temporary leader in Dominic

Just because he is in ICU does NOT mean he is on a ventilator!!

Why do people persist in spreading unfounded rumours?

You're the second person that has told me that today/yesterday. I wonder what the truth is...

Well Fairview & others I'm sorry to say Mr Johnson has been intubated & is on a ventilator & has been for well over 24 hours now.I wish him & every other person suffering from Covid 19 a full recovery.

Rather a late message,because I have been watching Netflix....

Being in Intensive Care was hideous, probably the worst experience of my life, and I would not wish it on anyone. Given the alternative, though, I am glad that the doctors gave me the chance to struggle through it. I hope there is enough equipment and trained staff in the UK for all those who need it so desperately now.

There isn't in Italy or in America. I think we can believe their doctors when they say that they are having to play God and choose who gets the chance to live. Not a choice between a person who won't make it and one who will, but between two people who might both survive if they had enough machines. An unenviable choice.

I couldn't access that link but have read similar information elsewhere.

I read that too notanan

Only those in most dire need will be ventilated, which then gives their own bodies a chance to overcome the virus.

chewbacca
I agree, she really must feel as if she’s flogging a dead horse today.

notanan
Thank you for that link, it explains the situation very clearly, including the fact that up to now, only a third of patients who have been put on a ventilator have survived once off the ventilation. Obviously as time moves on, the stats may change.
Thank you also for your continued robust explanations of ventilation and what is involved, to be honest I’m surprised you haven’t lost the will to live by now after explaining over and over again.

My son and his colleagues are now on the ventilation team in a big city hospital. They are not doctors or nurses, but clinicians with experience in ventilation of patients with respiratory conditions eg COPD.
Their clinics have been cancelled and they are preparing and testing all the ventilators they can lay their hands on.
They have been fitted for their masks and shown training videos of how to put on PPE.
I hope and pray that the PPE is there when they need it.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/the-road-to-recovery-for-covid-19-patients
This is a pretty good explaination of why you have to be pretty strong before going into ITU, in order to be capable of recovering afterwards

Oops.