Boris..intensive care..

Apart from wishing Johnson well I don't think Raab actually answered any of the other questions put to him. I must admit to being tired of him and his medical advisors being asked about when the lockdown was going to end. We are 4 weeks behind Italy; we can't even begin to think about stopping the lockdown until things have peaked and we have access to antibody and antigen testing.

Boris Johnson has NOT been a good leader throughout this crisis. He and Dominic Cummings went all out for the 'herd immunity' tactic, until that was outed as lethal and a cynical attempt to bring down the elderly and infirm population, thereby decreasing benefit payouts. Johnson lied and misled throughout the Brexit campaign. He has been vilified by his ex-employer Max Hastings over his fitness to lead, see: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/24/boris-johnson-prime-minister-tory-party-britain.
He is NOT 'cuddly Boris', he is a cynical career politician who did not bargain for having to lead the country through such a crisis. I do not wish him, as a human being, ill. But I am angry with him for putting our nation in such jeopardy both as a nation state and in the face of world pandemic.

notanan
Your post at 16.16. The absolute truth about DS patients. Thank you for telling it as it is. Many DS people have multiple life threatening conditions and receive NHS treatment for these conditions as appropriate. The medics obviously decided that ventilation was not appropriate, probably due to multiple organ failure. It is disingenuous of the author of the article to pretend otherwise.

Just caught the tail end of the PM briefings.
I was really impressed by the way Dominic Raab gave his update on Boris.
Concise, informative, sincere, genuine.

A government of National Unity would bring together the best knowledge and experience available. Boris Johnson's government is made up of sycophants. all the good people, such as Dominic Grieve and Ken Clarkson we de-selected. Why might that have been, then? Because they weren't yes men? Than k heavens for Keir Starmer. We need him and similar people of knowledge, integrity and compassion - unlike the present shower.

Maw excellent post. Thank you.

I certainly wish Boris a speedy recovery like I would anyone who has contracted this vile virus. I think he has done well as PM he certainly has had a lot to deal in such a short time and under extreme circumstances (Brexit included!) and thrown his all into it. He hasn’t got it all right but I defy anyone to do that. My personal opinion is that he does his very best to run the country with the wishes of the British public in mind. I most definitely want him back at the helm ASAP.

EmilyMaria

Agree with you completely.

I too hope that he recovers, as I hope that all who get this virus could recover. He is young but overweight and apparently that is a factor. I hadn't seen weight being on lists of those who are more likely to be at risk.

Many people on here seem to think BJ is the best thing since sliced bread and seem to have forgotten how the NHS has been starved of funds for many years. People have said that he is following a straight path - he hasn't - his path has zigzagged all over the place. He's followed the advice of experts but experts can differ profoundly. Imperial College - 510,000 deaths if no action taken. Oxford University point out that there was no outcry over the 28,189 who died during the 2014/15 flu outbreak.

There has been little "politicking" over the virus. Keir Starmer has said that he won't bring party politics into the discussion but he will criticise the government over the way in which they are dealing with it.

Amen to that Greymar - my shit hair and I will join you in that clap

I'm clapping tonight for all the older ladies, fat, unfit, hair like shit,depressed and lost.

I'm not a clapper either

Weeell Im not clapping for anyone any more. Clapped out.
Didnt do the "clap for kids" om sunday either..
So not clapping for bojo or jc or anyone else to me it is meaningless

Right with you paddyanne

Its an intervention.

Interchange resus with an op. Both are invasive treatments.

You can decline an op if you dont want it.
You cant demand an op that a surgeon says wont work on you.

Same for chemo, or any other intervention. You only consent to have/not have it if offered. You cant insist you are offered it.

I'm not clapping for BJ. I genuinely and sincerely hope he's ok, but he's just another person with CV. He'll be getting the very best care available.

As a previous Corbyn supporter, if he and a Labour government had failed to heed the months of preparation time we had, I wouldn't clap for them either.

And I don't believe BJ or any other member of the elite gets exactly the same treatment an average person gets. They are called privileged for a reason. I won't argue about it because life was ever thus.

I will clap for the NHS or any other key workers. They are my heroes.

The last home I worked in had a dnr for every resident, clearly marked, otherwise there is too much room for doing entirely the wrong thing.

that’s not my experience notanan

They do not need your permission any more than they need your permission to not operate on you.

In cases where they would consider resuscitation, then it is up to the individual/family to consider whether or not they would want it

But they need no permissions to decide it is not a viable medical option to offer you.

What IS happening is that care homes and GPs who have been LAX in the past about keeping on top of escallation plans, are now being asked to catch up pronto.

But these are DNRs that should always have been in place.

The care homes who never previously bothered asking whether their residents should be resuscitated if the situation arose, are the ones having to do it all en mass now.

good care homes will have always been assessing and reassessing their residents escallation plans anyway

That’s not my experience notanan

According to the local paper The Argus, care homes in Brighton and Hove say they have been asked to get residents to sign "in industrial quantities." In other places, care homes report that they feel pushed into

But that doesnt ring true. Drs dont actually need your or your family's permission to do a DNR for you.

Poor anyone - affected. I heard there is a Labour MP in ITU somewhere, wishing everyone well.

I must agree with you emilymaria

Emilymaria. Absolutely spot on. I don't think he has ever done anything other than put Boris first throughout his entire life. And yes, I'd like a list of all the good things he has done from those now eulogising him. As a human being I wish him a speedy recovery [although it won't be speedy and he should have relinquished the reins of government a while ago]. The cabinet is in disarray and ministers wanting to take his place are like prowling hyenas. We are in one hell of a mess and I don't understand why people think that Johnson [who steered us to where we are now] is the only person that can save us .

Would you have clapped for Corbyn had the GE gone the other way?

I don't intend to clap for Boris Johnson but, if I was going to, then yes, I'd most certainly do the same for Jeremy Corbyn if he was desperately ill. The general election or the referendum have nothing to do with it when someone is very ill. Compassion is for the person, not his political outlook.

Oh, thanks!