Boris..intensive care..

his short speech was perfectly rational as you sayGrannyL
however meds do stay in the body for a while.He will have been told about this, as my DH was at the time.

You can't switch psychosis on and off.

Yes you can. You can have a psychotic episode lasting from several minutes to several days or weeks. And then they seem to disappear, only to reappear when triggered.

Alternatively he could have been having a well deserved break from running the country at such a stressful time and indulging his drug habit in a secret opium den known only to the Tory cabinet.

trisher is now using paddyanns term for Carrie 'bidey in'
I imagine it being said in scandalised tones and a pursed mouth....ooh living in sin, how awful!

his fiancé to be exact, as they are engaged, or just his girlfriend or partner ( this is the 21st century) you know.

lemongrove I don't doubt it occasionally happens under some circumstances and I'm sorry this happened to your husband. But to baldly state that the Prime Minister had any of these conditions when he made a perfectly rational broadcast to the nation on his discharge is frankly prurient and ridiculous. You can't switch psychosis on and off.

I've been out for my state approved walk with the dogs, done a bit of gardening and cooked our evening meal, which we are about to eat.
So a quick catch up with gransnet and this is the only thread I've read. It's so dispiriting. I'd be interested to hear if I'm alone in feeling that.
notanan2 and I are not natural political allies, at least that's my impression so far.
However -notanan, your contributions, your knowledge of the impact of being an ITU patient seem to me to be spot on. I haven't worked in ITU but I have worked with PTSD. A key factor in people who develop post trauma syndrome is being involved in an incident that is life threatening. I watched Mr J's short video last night - he clearly mentioned when thanking the nursing staff and doctors that 'it was touch and go'. He wouldn't have been admitted to hospital, certainly not into ITU unless he was seriously ill and for ITU at risk of dying.

I'm disgusted that some people seem unable to accept this. Mr J is in the right place at Chequers, he can rest an recuperate. Good luck to him.

the conspiracy theories from LP supporters ( Boris not seriously ill etc) are in absolute loony tunes territory.

When my friend was in an induced coma she thought everyone was trying to kill her. When she had counselling afterwards she was told to pretend she was walking through beautiful woodland; sun shining, birds singing etc etc. 'What are you thinking', asked the counsellor...'who's following me' was my friends reply.

Being inside ICU is a sobering sight I can tell you, especially when patients die and are speedily removed.It was a very frightening time, but the one to one care is superb.

BJ is almost certain to have some form of PTSD, psychosis or depression/anxiety

Just to help you out Notanan..... and I DON'T need to look it up

"Psychosis is an umbrella term; it means that an individual has sensory experiences of things that do not exist and/or beliefs with no basis in reality. During a psychotic episode, an individual may experience hallucinations and/or delusions. They may see or hear things that do not exist"

I fear that a lot of medical staff are going to suffer from ptsd after this; I do hope that there will be counselling available for them.

notanan is quite right ..DH spent five days in intensive care a few months ago and had hallucinations both there ( seeing people and hearing them talk to him) and again in the ward when he left ICU. a doctor came to check on him and asked if had hallucinations and said it was a common side effect of the meds.He thought he was seeing ghosts!

ITU is not the naughty step
You dont go there to learn your lesson, you go there to try to survive

All this speculation and comment about where Boris is convalescing and what treatment he had is in my humble opinion missing the point. far more important surely is to hope that this experience has had some influence on making him a more compassionate serious minded politician who will show more respect for key workers and reward them accordingly.

ITU psychosis is a very real widely acknowledge risk/effect of having been in ITU GrannyLaine
you look it up.
Often it is related to sedation meds but it can also be from being awake but septic/delerious in such a traumatic envirinment.
It doesnt just go away on discharge, flash back to the psychosis are common.

Psychosis Notanan ???? What the heck are you talking about?
I think you need to look that one up!

can you explain why, if he was in intensive care just a few days ago, he was able to give a 5 minute speech without coughing

Because it was all a hoax Labaik <taps side of nose, knowingly>. Boris never had COVID it was all a ruse to cover up that he was going away to work on that other great myth; men walking on the moon. You were quick to spot the deliberate mistake though!

I thought it was only if you were intubed that you had major problems

Some of the hallucinations etc are directly related to sedation meds used for full ventillation

But PTSDs etc are still very common for any ITU admissions.

Im some ways its a worse place to be awake in than not!

Can someone explain to me if there are 2 official residences why the one that is used least isn't a second home?

Lots of people are registered to vote and with a GP in houses that they live in at weekends/time off, and rent second homes or rooms that they live in mon-friday.
I know several people who live away from their primary family home a few days a week, or all of the working week, for work
Its not just the no of days that makes somewhere your primary residence

If there are internal stairs to his flat he might not be ready to go there at all yet. Its a huge fire risk to discharge someone to an upstairs they cant easily get down from. Fire services have to be informed etc.

People can go to groundfloor living in a flat much sooner to convalece at home.

Its why people are often discharged to relatives houses rather than straight to their flats. Its that or get a rehab bed until strong enough for stairs.

I thought it was only if you were intubed that you had major problems; a friend of mine that had been put in an induced coma suffered from anxiety for a long time afterwards. We're no longer in touch so I'm not sure how she is now. It's why the thought of being on a ventilator terrifies me. Having said that some people have no memory of it whatsoever.

There are of course all the people who will be involved in his move to the country. His security, his chauffeur the staff at Downing Street. (who he might already have spread it to) the staff at Chequers. But hey as long as it's what he wants. Ridiculous to think the Downing Street flat couldn't be adapted for him. Of course his bidey-in is at Chequers and he wants to be with her. Can someone explain to me if there are 2 official residences why the one that is used least isn't a second home?

BJ is almost certain to have some form of PTSD, psychosis or depression/anxiety symptoms in the comming weeks/months. Almost everyone discharged from ITU does.

Another reason why going to his "home" may be have advised by his team as a medical need.

All this speculation and comment about where Boris is convalescing and what treatment he had is in my humble opinion missing the point. far more important surely is to hope that this experience has had some influence on making him a more compassionate serious minded politician who will show more respect for key workers and reward them accordingly.

Labaik a snapshot of someone who is doing rehab doing an activity does not mean that they are able to do that activity all day, or every day.