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Quizzer Sun 12-Apr-20 15:49:14

I know the coronavirus has affected everybody but it has affected me in a different way. It has confirmed the fact that I actually have no close friends. In the last three weeks not one person has called, emailed or messaged me to ask whether I am OK.
I have called or messaged a few acquaintances but the conversations have been short.
My three children and DGC have called only weekly as usual, apart from the eldest who has called two or three times a week but only when he's driving home in his car from his key worker job. We have an agreement that they all call me when they have time, rather than me call them when they are busy.
I do have a DH living with me, but we no longer have any sort of close relationship. He spends most of his time doing unnecessary things in the garden or garage.
We moved here 10 years ago so that we could visit DGCs more easily, but still hardly ever see them.
My so-called friends at my previous home have always declined to visit us, not invited us back and now just send Christmas and birthday cards, which I feel has been become just a chore.
I have never been able to make friends with couples as my partner is not sociable.
Under normal circumstances I go out and do things with various groups and have been on committees and always volunteered to help but now I realise that none of these people considered me to be a "friend" and I lie awake at night wondering what I do wrong. Fellow group members meet for coffee etc but I am never invited and don't want to impose myself where I am not wanted.
I sometimes feel that I should ask someone I can trust why I am not popular but that is a very scary thing to do and I am not sure I can change at this stage of my life (71), but maybe I would get an insight into why no one wants to be close to me.

Noreen3 Mon 13-Apr-20 11:39:11

sounds a bit like me,Quizzer.I think we just have too much time to worry at the moment.I'm a 68 year old widow,I've never been the life and soul of the party type,but I've built a life for myself.In normal times I go to a keep fit class,I volunteer at a lunch club and at a National Trust property,I see my family,I meet up with women I used to serve on a committee with.One thing I haven't done is have a friend my own age to go out places with,I'm happy to go out by myself and use my bus pass to explore places,not at the moment of course.We're just missing all the things we normally do.We're all different,it doesn't mean there's anything wrong with us.

MerylStreep Mon 13-Apr-20 11:42:38

Quizzer

You put your post up @ yesterday 15.49. A lot of people have given time and thought to answering and giving good advice to your problem.
There has been no response from you. Ths isn't the first time, either that you have given no reply when asking for help/advice.
A thank you to these posters would be nice, don't you think?

Craftycat Mon 13-Apr-20 11:46:04

So much good advice on this post already .
I would strongly suggest you find your local Women's Institute & go along. They should give you a warm welcome & make sure you have someone to show you the ropes. They will organise all sorts of outings etc & once a month you will get a good meeting & an interesting speaker or some craft project to try.
You will not be left alone to sit by yourself & you will meet some lovely women.
At least that is what should happen- I know some groups get a bit insular but very few are like this & there will be another group locally if the first one doesn't work for you.
We do a lot of craft at our group & last month tried our hand at drumming with a local group- that certainly got rid of all our stress!
Give them a try.

Jishere Mon 13-Apr-20 11:53:41

Hi there like everyone has said this is a strange time and the mind is over thinking for alot of us. Everybody you know are pre occupied with their own families, neighbours during this time with the exception of your own family.
Could you not start chatting to your DH?
We have to be grateful for what we have, real special friendships are very hard to come by. I mean some of us still have not met Mr Right!! We can't have everything.
You have a lovely family who see you as very independent, maybe you should open up and say if it's alright if you call them bit more.

Sleepygran Mon 13-Apr-20 11:54:57

Totally understand where you are coming from.
I have accepted that I don't make friends very easily.
I'm very quiet and am a listener rather than a talker,and most people see that as being distant.
I was very hurt a couple of months ago when an old friend from teenage years was in touch,and I suggested meeting half way between our homes and have heard nothing since.
I have been told that I seem very self contained,maybe you are too?
Sadly my best friends have died now and they are irreplaceable,that's just the way it is.
Try to find something you enjoy doing and give your mind to that rather than worrying about lack of friends.you sound normal to me! It's other folk that are odd!

Pat123 Mon 13-Apr-20 12:07:02

Wise words from Minnow0. Nice to get feedback from the male perspective.

SunnySusie Mon 13-Apr-20 12:08:35

Hello Quizzer, you are not alone in feeling the way you do. Like you I am normally out and about and belong to various groups and committees where everyone is very friendly, but none of those people have been in contact. I think there is quite a difference between people who you chat to fairly regularly, and those who you might invite to your home for dinner as personal friends. The group and committee acquaintances share a lot of personal information, but we only meet in one context at the group or committee, it doesnt tend to spill over into a closer relationship. Normally this is fine and I dont even notice, but now of course it might be nice to replace the usual weekly chat in the group with a chat over the phone or similar, however, it hasnt happened. I think this is something to do with British reserve. None of us want to move the relationships to a more personal level for fear of imposing on the other person, or assuming more than was meant by the friendliness. My DH is quite sociable, but we never do anything together and share very few mutual friends, so I think couples who are looking for a friend for each of them tend to keep their distance. I dont have an answer really, maybe drop people a text or e-mail just asking if they are OK? I have done that and most people reply.

ReadyMeals Mon 13-Apr-20 12:15:53

It makes a huge difference whether you live with someone you get on with. I finally made a good choice of partner so it's not too bad, but I dread to think how I'd be feeling if I was still with one of my less good choices sad

Buffy Mon 13-Apr-20 12:18:54

Oh what sad posts. I think many of us are in similar situations. We can’t all be ‘Miss Popularity’ no matter how hard we try.
Some people seem to have ‘it’ and most others don’t.

Taichinan Mon 13-Apr-20 12:20:00

Quizzer you sound just like me - and I see a few others have said the same! There's nothing wrong with you, but you have to understand and accept that you are you. I think the aloneness of lockdown - and you can feel just as alone with a DH in the garage as no DH - has caused a lot of introspection and soul-searching. I've been through this quite a lot in the past four years since my partner died and before that after my DH died young, so in a way it was maybe preparation for lockdown. What I have learned is that actually I like my own company! I am actually happy by myself in my lovely little home and garden with it's spectacular views. I don't really have close friends - more "close acquaintances'' - and my three children and five GCs are spread around Britain. We do keep in contact via WhatsApp with lots of photos and occasional video calls and lots of banter, chuckles and outright laughter. But in-the-flesh contacts are few and far between and I've taught myself to accept that. Are you familiar with the Serenity Prayer? "God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.". I think that is the key to a happy life. As you don't feel happy the way you are, then you need to look inside yourself to decide what you should change. You might just find you feel as I do! Another favourite of mine is Peter Seller's little ditty which starts "Smiling is infectious .......". And that is so true. I hope you have found a lot of food for thought and particularly comfort from all the replies on here. Lots of love ???

Lorelei Mon 13-Apr-20 12:22:45

@Quizzer - when all this Corona crisis has subsided I'm sure you'll be back to filling your days, volunteering, talking to people on the committees you sit on etc. Your 3 kids and grandchildren call you several times a week, so even though 'friends' may not be checking on your welfare at least you are having regular contact with other people which is more than some have at the moment. I'm a bit concerned that your key worker child calls while driving - not very responsible and should be discouraged. You articulate your feelings well, sum up your present and previous circumstances and thoughts on various relationships, so I would wager 2 things: The first is that other people may view you as very capable and together and therefore presume you are OK and not needing checking up on, and the second is that if not in lockdown you have made plenty of acquaintances but not clicked enough with someone to form the type of friendships where you do welfare phone checks on each other. Plus you mention a husband and, unsociable or not, others may see you are not alone and focus their efforts on those more in need, alone, struggling with more than feeling friendless. Many are now jobless, money-less, without home helps or other things they previously relied on, some were already grieving and others are recently bereaved having had loved ones die of Coronavirus-related illnesses. For the time being as, like all of us, there's little that can be done that involves leaving the house for no good reason, keep in touch with Gransnet 'friends' (the forum is generally supportive) and make plans to put yourself in situations like the voluntary work for friend-making opportunities. For the record, I have very few friends and nobody has phoned me either and though there maybe be things I'd like to have in an ideal world I recognise I have more than many, am not going without much, have a better half who is coping by wearing headphones all day and sitting reading and smoking in another room and I have avoided catching Coronavirus so far (I'm highly vulnerable). Depression, loneliness, fear, anxiety etc are becoming part of daily life for many so please don't fret too much about any of these feelings during lockdown. I would say you have many good traits and qualities others look for in potential friends so you will make some eventually. Easy to say, but try to balance any negative or sensitive feelings with something more positive, make the most of the calls you do get etc. I hope you feel better before too much longer.

Maddy68 Mon 13-Apr-20 12:34:40

Hi, I feel your pain. I am in a similar situation with a husband who really didn't leave the house before quarantine and is a bit of a misanthrope. My social life really shrank into nonexistence when I got married, but my husband gave me depth of relationship that I needed at the time, so it was a bit of a trade off, with unforeseeable long term consequences post family days. Now I am at a loss to have a social life with or without him. My efforts don't seem to get very far. I get excited thinking I have made a new friend, but then it doesn't seem to go anywhere. I have always been sensitive and desired a few close friends over a quantity of friends. It seems harder and harder to meet women who want to share a friendship. I think it is the stage of life, and also the culture which seems to make most people very self absorbed in general. My two oldest and closest friends both have limiting diseases which make them somewhat housebound, and this year before Covid hit, I had vowed to push myself out to meet new people without the husband but then there was the quarantine. I tried to engage with a new potential friend by email, but I think my enthusiasm scared her off! I felt bad about it, even though I didn't do anything wrong. For me, this stage of life has been about struggling to accept the way things are and not taking it personally that people don't seem that interested in engaging. In another period of history, perhaps people might have desired to share in each other's joys and sorrows more directly? But these are not those times. I try to stay involved in something creative even if it is by myself. As I read your post, your reflections echo a lot of what I have been feeling lately, so thank you for sharing. It isn't us I don't think really. Maybe we both shouldn't judge ourselves harshly for there being a deficit in other's interest and/or capacity to engage more fully with other people? I have been a nurturer and caregiver my entire life, but at this point, it is pretty obvious that I am going to have to let it go and try much harder to give myself the same care that I would ordinarily give others without a second thought. Don't give yourself away! You are worth more and when this Covid virus let's us all out to play again, you and I are both going to find new friends to have some laughs and shared good times with!!! Hang in there.

GoldenAge Mon 13-Apr-20 12:53:41

Quizzer - sorry you're feeling this way, but you do say that you've told your children not to act differently during this pandemic, and they're only doing what you asked. Likewise, you know that DH has never been a socialite and that living with him during lockdown will not bring you much company, so the answer lies with you to become involved. Also, please don't forget that some of your 'friends' who are sociable might be 'run off their feet' at this time, not just in terms of sourcing provisions and possibly volunteering to help the extremely vulnerable, but also because they may be inundated with virtual communications and be busy responding rather than initiating. I fall into this category and therefore realise that instead of lockdown being a quiet time for reflection, it's quite the opposite. Going forward I would suggest that you do ask one of your 'friends' why you seem to be unpopular and you may get a surprise in being told that you're not. Alternatively you may be told that you're too passive. Either way, even in social isolation you can have virtual coffee chats, book group meetings and endless other such activities, and you might start by sharing information about free online performances. All of these things are out there if you just look. And when this is all over, try joining a book group or something else where you can meet a small number of people on a regular basis and maybe take turns in providing a venue and food. This would really lock you into a group of like-minded people. And tell your children and grandchildren you want more contact. Good luck.

Xrgran Mon 13-Apr-20 12:53:54

Consider if you appear to be a very confident and self reliant person? If so others might think you are fine and will have lots of other people calling them.
Another issue is if your friends are very busy people who have lots of family?
I have a lovely friend I rarely see or hear from as she is always so busy with other friends and groups.We meet up about once a year.

Xrgran Mon 13-Apr-20 12:56:32

I’ve recently downloaded the Guardian Crossword app so you could invite a new friend to do a crossword with you? They might be very pleased to share this activity at first then later you can phone and you’ll have a shared interest!

albertina Mon 13-Apr-20 12:56:37

I admire your honesty. Friendship is a funny thing. It's not always equal, but we don't realise it isn't until something like this virus shows us how things really are. I am wondering, like a lot of folk who have replied, whether your husband might be partly the reason for your situation.

I had a neighbour many years ago who moved to Scotland. I was very fond of her and thought it was the same for her. On one of my visits we were in her car with her sister sitting beside her in the front and me and all the children in the back.

I lay my head back and closed my eyes for a while. They thought I must be asleep. My friend suddenly said to her sister referring to me, " hasn't she got an odd face ! Reminds me of a weird looking milk maid" then she added "She's Catholic you know" then after a pause " they should all be taken out and shot"

I hope things improve for you.

ALANaV Mon 13-Apr-20 12:58:38

Sorry you are finding this time difficult ! I have no family and only two friends who are busy with their own working life ...this never bothers me ...I have a daughter who has made no contact for 14 years, and an unknown grandson ….it is their life and as far as I know from the internet (!) they are all ok. My only regret this year is I am unable now to travel as I had planned (and booked and paid for !) I do have many friends in different countries and we all e mail each other ...and that is fine with me ! I bought a holiday property as well, but now can't visit it ! but as long as everyone is safe, I have lots that I SHOULD ha ha and even COULD be doing with lockdown ....but am afraid I spend too much time on here ! I also live alone but now at the coast, and it is beautiful to have the one hour a day to get out along the beach or into the countryside ...all just minutes away ….so, I should try to think what you DO HAVE as some people have no one and nothing ….I am grateful every day to have enough (read the poem ENOUGH and you will see what I mean) take care

Jishere Mon 13-Apr-20 13:11:12

Meryl Streep you can't demand someone to reply. We all give advice freely and whether it's read or appreciated or whether Quizzer is reflecting is no one's business but her own. This is not a score sheet so leave her be. She will answer if and when she wants to.

KathyG54 Mon 13-Apr-20 13:22:07

It is easy to overthink things just now.I have made an effort to phone friends since the lockdown especially ones on their own and they always seem pleased to talk but not had many calls coming in! Maybe because they are aware OH here?
DD calls often DS not so much but that’s normal !

Lulu16 Mon 13-Apr-20 13:24:45

I have moved around quite a bit over the years and inevitably you do lose friends along the way. However you do make new ones too.
Join everything, you can always choose what to drop if it doesn't suit you. Volunteer to do things, if it doesn't work out you can always stop.
I have a ring around with friends so that we all keep in contact. Is that something maybe that you can organise?

MerylStreep Mon 13-Apr-20 13:30:51

jishere
I think it's only good manners to say thank you when one has asked for advice and people have taken the trouble to give advice.
As I said: it's not the first time.

H1954 Mon 13-Apr-20 13:31:24

I have sent you a PM Quizzer

Grannytwoshoes Mon 13-Apr-20 13:34:55

Many wise words have been posted here with which I totally agree. Lots of good ideas but at this bloody time they are difficult to put into practice. If I knew how to operate this website I would be more than happy to enter into correspondence. But on the other hand you might never get a reply!!. I’m trying to set myself some goals one of which is to perfect my iPad technique!! But I need someone by my side used to dealing with idiots!! No can do. So I’m glad you put pen to paper as they used to say. ! How I wish that we could close our eyes and it would all be over... my eldest son 49 after four and a half years sober has had a relapse and I am desperate. This isolation business is destroying but necessary I suppose. All I can do is pray... love to all xx

Joesoap Mon 13-Apr-20 13:39:10

Quizzer, you sound like a nice person, your family you see, but friends do seem to keep their distance, no pun meant here, I think its this extraordinary time we are living in, things will be better later I am sure.I have lots of friends, but I seem to be the only one with a phone, Facebook and Skype and other ways of keeping in touch!
Sending you an Easter hug

jocork Mon 13-Apr-20 13:40:43

Reading this thread reminded me that I'm sometimes too passive about contacting people. I assume they won't want to bother with me or are too busy. One friend had texted me a couple of times to check if I was ok so decided to text her first this time. Within seconds she phoned me back and we had a good chat. After that I texted someone else but didn't get a reply from her. The fact is we have to make the effort and sometimes it is reciprocated and sometimes not. Maybe the friend who hasn't replied is actually busy - maybe not - but I won't take it personally. I'm lucky my family contact me regularly and we had a 'zoom' lunch yesterday, spoiled only by my daughter being too ill to eat and my laptop microphone not working so we had to resort to whatsapp, by which time my lunch had gone cold! Thankfully daughter is better today and I've downloaded 'zoom' on my phone for future use. Thank goodness for modern technology. Just imagine what this lockdown would have been like 25 years ago! I'm thankful for the contacts I have while living alone. A couple of younger colleagues offered to shop for me, though I've been able to do it myself so far. I think having a partner could well be the reason you seem left out. I must admit I've mostly concentrated on friends who live alone so may need to rethink that too. Keep making approaches and hopefully some will reply soon.