Will the Staying Alert send out mixed messages

So, what are the safety measures in workplaces for tomorrow for places that are re opening. There are numerous health and safety guidelines about other things so surely there will be guidelines about how to keep employees safe from the virus. And, if someone comes down with the virus will all of their work colleagues have to self isolate for 14 days? Are London buses still free to use? If not how will passengers pay without possibly infecting the driver?

And it's up to parents to sort out childcare arrangements with work, their partner or nurseries. We're adults and should not expect Government to organise the minutae of our lives.
We've had 6-7 weeks to get life after lockdown sorted but some have treated it as a holiday and put no thought into going back to work and their childcare arrangements.

Point out the nastiness in my post and I'll apologise. Why get wound up?

Oh! I'm sorry Fiachna50
I though I was helping to make it clear about travel to work. You did wonder how workers would get there if no car or bike.
Agsin, I'm sorry to have upset you.

You two are really something else. No wonder folk leave this place in droves. You ask a simple question and get nastiness as the answer, you are both welcome to each other.

Lulubelle500 York marathon? I'm down for that as is one of my sons and his wife. They ran and did pbs last year. Great day out. I hope we're past all this by then.

Why are you jumping into this Gabriella? Do you not have enough to occupy you. Oh I forgot Ive seen how you speak to people, you and notanan must really get it on.

Oh Im greetin into my cornflakes, you are all sooo funny.

Oh I'm sorry, I mean BJ came to my house with multicoloured pens and rearranged our family planner diary for us Then helped DH pick his return to work outfit

Better?

Fiachna50
Public transport. By public transport. Boris said it. I heard it.
If you cannot travel by car, car or bike or walk then use PT, however, there will be fewer seats available to use due to the rules but more buses will run.

Basic bull***.

No Im not wonderful its basic adulting.

Well bully for you Notanan, aren't you just wonderful.

and some nurseries ARE still open.

If people left it until tonight to bother finding out which ones were, they may struggle. Yes. Nobody elses fault though.

Although I dont think it'll be the huge logistical rush you imagine.

Shielding families: no change
Keyworkers: no change
Employees of closed by order businesses: no change
Those who can work from home: no change
Those whose employers already chose to open with distancing: no change

Some whose employers could have reopened at any point, but chose not to yet: a not exactly unforseen change that could have happened at any point up to today anyway

Maybe one works from home (if possible) or they work alternate weeks. One might have to adapt and change jobs.

We dont work in the same place actually the business is only part of our income.

I am also employed and I raised at the start with my boss that the changes I made with my hours to cover Covid related flexibility must be temporary and that when DH reopened I would need my old hours back eventually. We agreed (Dh&I AND my boss and I) that even after reopening I would initially remain fully flexible (again on the understanding it was not permanant) and DH would start off on adjusted hours.
Nobodys boss is psychic. Its on the employee to go to their employer with their circumstances and discuss working around it.

You and your husband planned, fair enough but you have to admit plenty people won't have.
Everyone could have. Nobody was promised unlimited furlough. Everybody was told over and ovef and over that when lockdown ended it would be a "new normal"

If people stuck their heads in the sand and didnt address their reopening childcare issues with their employers before today, that is not the PMs fault.

I think it should have been 'Staying Alive' with the accompanying music and words changed to suit the situation.

Notanan2 keep your hair on. I assume you and your husband have your own business?So what do a couple do if they do not work in the same place and possibly in opposite directions? What do they do with their children? To my knowledge schools and nurseries are not back, so where do the children go? I was asking a simple question. You and your husband planned, fair enough but you have to admit plenty people won't have. Perhaps childminders might be back at work? I really don't understand why you ask a simple question and get your head bitten off. Im not stupid Notanan, nor do I want the PM to go around everyone's door and micromanage everyone's life. I was asking on behalf of the people I think will struggle, of course if that is alright with you?

But Germany have just loosened lockdown and the infection rate is shooting up again. Should we not have extra measures in place here before people start going back to work/using public transport; an app for a start and more testing and contact tracing etc etc?

Oh god fiachna what do you want? the pm to go round each individuals houses to risk assess/problem solves for them?

public transport isnt banned. Avoid it if you can. You might have to leave earlier if services are reduced. But damn can people not figure this out for themselves? I am beginning to thing people WANT to be micromanaged forever.

Re childcare. People working from home can continue to do so if its productive. People working in businesses compelled to close will stay off (cinemas, clothes shops). People whose employer OPTED to close are the only ones going back and did they not discuss this in advance with their employer and partner if they have one? Its hardly a bolt from the blue. People who left it until the last minute to address what would happen on reopening only have thenselves to blame. DH and I discussed this from the start! He is changing his hours temporarily/initially. We can do this because we planned for reopening from the day we shut. It was NEVER going to be permanant and reopening was always going to be logistically different from pre lockdown.

I've just mentioned on another thread that someone local to me is asking which nurseries are open as she now has to return to work and has a small child.

I just hope everyone is going to be ok. There was no clear message. How do people returning to work get to work if they have no car or bike and it's too far to walk? Car share? Really?What do parents do with their children, if both parents have to return to work? It's a shambles. I know many won't agree but I was disappointed in the PM. Guidance is as clear as mud.

In DHs field due to the different ways people in his profession work, some HAD to close. And now still have to remain closed.

Others didnt have to but chose to. Like B&Q did initially.

Now if the latter put distancing in place (again, like b&q did) they are being encouraged to get people bavk to work if they cant do it from home (again, like b&q).

These places could have stayed open all along. These are the places told to get back to it, and presumably the gov wont bank roll you//your staff if youre not in the "must close" category

Its not everyone back to work. That was quite clear.

The businesses that opted to close are now encouraged to get people back to work, if not from home then at work IF distancing is practicable.

The workplaces ordered to close remain closed. Like cinemas, music venues etc.

Its not a big change really. Its just a push for the ones who were never ordered to close but did anyway to get their staff back on the payroll.

It's hardly a question of thinking for yourself but interpretation of laws enforced by the police
No actually its clarified it a lot for yhe police. Fewer circumstances are finable, but those fines will be larger. Much more enforcable.