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Took them all weekend to film it. Did they not trust him to do it 'live'? Prefer the Matt Lucas version. Made more sense. Stay alert folks. If you catch Covid, it's your fault now.

jen53
I'm fortunate to be able to see the gems wrapped in cotton-wool.
Others see only cotton-wool and dismiss it as being worthless.
Most people are only interested in hearing what they want to hear and taking what sound bites they prefer or snippets they want to rely on.
I like the whole picture as a clock doesn't work with a jewel missing.

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Grandad1943 I went on Gov.co.uk. on Sunday and the H & S guidelines regarding Covid-19 are available for all to read.

You asked for an answer nanna58 and you got one.
I did not directly mention you as a gran who lives her life through GC, it was a broad reference to the many on here who talk about them all the time, miss them more than anything else in their lives and that is a fact, not a criticism.
You have not disappointed in any way whatsoever. I fully expected you to have some riposte ready whether I answered or not.
I supposed your question to be a general one about parents managing childcare in the present circumstances and I answered in like manner, in general terms.
The use of the word 'you' was to avoid using the term 'one'.

Grandad 1943 I am just wondering - are you really two people who both use the same computer and username? You have two completely different styles of posting, with different approaches and different ways of using language. One style is your original one, which you have used since you joined, the other emerged more recently and is not used so often. Sometimes I wonder whether your wife occasionally posts in place of you.

Sorry, but that’s exactly what was said in the broadcast.

Serendipity wishing you well. I hope you find the answer you need.

It's okay increasing the fine but where are the police to apply them. Not everyone can cycle, walk or drive (afford parking!) to work. Peoples will only take from the mountain of details what they want to or think they have understood. Lower deaths haven't been sustained or reduced for long enough to start the comeback IMO.

Great.
That wasn't said in the broadcast.
Boris mentioned Wednesday in connection with going out for exercise.

Maizie and anyone else who was confused.

I have just watched the ten o clock ITN News at Ten.
As clear as day it was said that workers who cannot work from home should return to work on Wednesday.

Sorry for delay grannywannynanny ( hahaha love the name ) my GC are 2 and 3 and my DD and myself would tell them to not come near ( nicely of course) I just don't want to do anything that has not been stated in black and white.....

I thank you very much for your reply and I apologise once again for my very late reply

notanan2, I regard to your posts beginning @22:34 today, there were no trick questions in the Safety Scenarios I put forward to yourself in my earlier post.

However, your reply was to reference risk reduction measures which would form only the second stage of any raw risk assessment compiled on the basis of the known facts of any task.

By example, in regard to the removal of the gearbox scenario I gave you for resolution, the raw hazards would be the weight of the gearbox, the restricted working space the vehicle technicians would be working in and the hazards of manoeuvring the gearbox as it is released from the vehicle.

In the above, any person with even rudimentary knowledge of risk assessment would be able to compile a numeric four by four raw risk assessment based on the certainties I gave.

However, notanan2 you offered no such assessment or reasoning only, as stated, risk reduction measures that would require a raw risk assessment for such measures to be compiled around to have any meaning whatsoever.

Therefore I can only conclude that you have received no relevant training in workplace safety at all.

earnshaw: so, can you explain why other countries eg Portugal, Greece etc have a much lower death rate than the U.K. given that the virus was unknown to them recently also?

My post:
I cant risk assess YOUR tasks ot needs to be done by someone who understands the tasks well (take note Steimer!)

grandads "critique" in reply:
However, in your response to my request, you do not even mention risk assessment which if you have any training whatsoever in occupational Health & Safety you would know is the basis of all safe working

ooo embarrassing for you grandad. Run off and find another little lady to put in their place.

(p.s. risk assessmemt is not a once off statement/piece of paper anyway its an ongoing process of reassessment)

In your usual goady style you are asking trick questions.

You know full well (if you are the expert you regularly declare yourself to be) and I stated above that I cannot do a full risk assessment based on your few lines there of an industry I have no familiarity or underatanding off. As above only labour types advocate that risk assessments be done by people unfamimiar with the ground floor.

I did explain the way the hierarchy of risk reduction works in general which was on topic and you are clearly reaching REALLY hard to try to find fault in my understanding.

You never ever admit that any GN has enough prior knowledge to not require your mansplaining, on any thread on any topic, so I adjust my expectations accordingly

I think that whatever Boris said or didnt say would be wrong, thats just how it is, please dont forget that this pandemic has never happened before so there are really no guidlines so therefore i really do feel that the governemt and scientists etc are doing the best they can so instead of moaning and groaning, ,,, oh he said that , and ,,, oh he didnt say that,,,, we should just be sensible about things and carry on the social distancing and wearing masks, common sense prevails, ,, hopefully

notanan2, in regard to your post @21:35 today, I have for the last thirty-five years worked in occupational workplace health & safety, and in that, for the last seventeen years have owned my own business in the same field mainly in support of Britains road transport and distribution industry.

That industry has continued to operate throughout this crisis and we have worked alongside those businesses to try and ensure as far as practically possible that safe working practices through risk assessment are carried out. where those operations can be brought within the laid down parameters of any risk assessments are met with the Covid-19 hazards added then those working practices are permitted to continue.

However, there are tasks that cannot be brought within the laid down parameters of any numeric risk assessment when the extra hazards of Covid-19 are added to the original risk assessment.

I cited two such tasks in my post @21:18 today in which I requested you notanan2 to furnish me with assessment and safe working practices for those tasks. However, in your response to my request, you do not even mention risk assessment which if you have any training whatsoever in occupational Health & Safety you would know is the basis of all safe working and would have to be at the very basis of the so-called solutions you put forward.

That stated, we are finding that some operations cannot be carried out safely due to the threat of covid-19 and those tasks will become a very real problem if Britain is to return to anything such as normal in the future.

Wow GabriellaG , where to start? Firstly I do not have small children( hence why I am on Gransnet) and so, thankfully do not require you to find me a solution . Neither did I wish for a bout of tiresome virtue signalling as to how you had managed sooo successfully to bring up your children without any help! I am however so very, very glad that my children have always had my help and support, and, sorry to disappoint you, have managed to give that without ‘ living my life through them’ !

I thought he was terrible. Very unclear with a slogan that can be misinterpreted.
I worry we will have a spoke in infections in a couple of weeks.

I can’t believe you thought he came across well without any faffing. He only does faff!
He blusters his way through, stumbling as if he’s struggling to remember the script. He’s a liability. A total embarrassment. None of it was clear or coherent. I just take comfort (not much) in the fact I didn’t vote for this party or leader (to use the term loosely).

PPI PPE

notanan2
I wasn't shocked or perturbed at the fact that shop staff were not using PPI.
I know full well that distancing and hand-washing are more important.
I was simply stating the facts as some people supposedly think masks and gloves solve the problem. I know they don't.

How would you risk assess if one of your employees developed an allergy to one of your componants grandad?

First you would see if you can either remove the allergen from the employee (can their task be done without having contact with it) or the employee from the allergen (another site where you dont use same componants)

can you substitue the componant

can you redeploy the employee

can another employee cover that part of the task

If you have assessed that there is no way they can do their job without contact you manage it. Barriers, store it separately and clearly mark it, PPE for employee, appropriate first aid, signage to alert other staff that there is an allergen issue with that component in the area so they must wear gloves too and wash hands before moving along to another work area.

You try to remove contact FIRST. If you cant you REDUCE the amount of contact they have and PROTECT them when they have to have contact