I’m beginning to feel sorry for Prince Andrew.

It seems to me that Fergie and Andrew have never been apart as a couple despite the divorce which was forced upon them due to the public airing of the to sucking incident. They are still a family.

You’re never boring Callistemon. On the other hand, I maybe

I don’t understand why everything in the press is taken as the truth, or why the anger over wealth and titles.

The press report a woman has come forward after 20 years and claims she saw them in the nightclub, this is now accepted
as proof he was there, 20 years on and she can remember the expression on a girls face !

Most of what is reported is from Guiffrie, has she gone into
details about any other man ?

I think I can probably force myself not to feel sorry for PA.

I don’t feel sympathy for him or condemn him because I don’t
know the truth

Anniebach

I don’t understand why everything in the press is taken as the truth, or why the anger over wealth and titles.

The press report a woman has come forward after 20 years and claims she saw them in the nightclub, this is now accepted
as proof he was there, 20 years on and she can remember the expression on a girls face !

Most of what is reported is from Guiffrie, has she gone into
details about any other man ?

Sorry but when it’s stories about what a certain American lady has done then it’s “the truth “ ? But not when it concerns PA?

From reports over the years it would appear that Prince Andrew is an arrogant man who has exploited his royal birth. He has made it very easy to think ill of him. None of us really know what went on and although I am no fan of his I think I will reserve my judgement until all the facts are known. The two princesses had, to say the least somewhat eccentric parents. They have taken heavy criticism over the years for their looks and their dress sense. They may or may not have obtained jobs through their royal connections. I know nothing of them other than what I read in the press which as we all now can be biased whichever way the reporter wishes. However there have been quotes over the years from “ordinary”people who have met them at Royal Garden parties and have said what delightful young ladies they are, who support their grandmother and have impeccable manners. They have never had public hissy fits or complained (unlike some!) for this their parents are to be congratulated. As a family they have stuck together through very troubled times, which can only be commended.

Lucca which ‘certain American Lady’ ?

Anniebach

Lucca which ‘certain American Lady’ ?

Ha ha

Sorry. You lost me at 'lady' (miouw!)

He`s an embarrassment to his family.

Lucca the certain American lady

1. Giuffre ?

2. The woman who claims she was as Tramps ?

I'm wary of documentaries. They are likely to be edited in such a way as to sensationalise the issues or they wouldn't be watched. They're all about money after all. Should it be shown at all? Is the matter not sub juice

Well a great deal of the documentary was focussed on the interviews with police and people leading an investigation into Epstein for years. I don't think they had to sensationalise anything - people recounting their stories said everything that needed to be said.

A person who used to work on Epstein's island (resigned when he realised what was going on - as he had teenage daughters himself) recounted seeing Prince Andrew and described what he saw. It wasn't a huge part of the documentary as that was focussed on seeking justice for his many victims of abuse.

After he killed himself (or was knocked off, whatever), the judge allowed the women who were taking part in the court case to recount their stories in court because he felt it was so important they were heard. Epstein raped these girls and that is recognised in the States - the focus here on Prince Andrew means the horror of what he did has been lost.

Twenty three women spoke. They are just a small number of the women he abused www.buzzfeednews.com/article/juliareinstein/jeffrey-epstein-women-victims-testify-court-quotes

Prince Andrew and that other lady are both a complete embarrassment. But if Prince Andrew did what he had been accused of, then he is worse than the other lady, in my opinion.

She’s just a pain in the neck who won’t shut up. Mind you, the attitudes are similar, a grandiose sense of self importance and entitlement.

A person who used to work on Epstein's island (resigned when he realised what was going on - as he had teenage daughters himself) recounted seeing Prince Andrew and described what he saw. It wasn't a huge part of the documentary as that was focussed on seeking justice for his many victims of abuse

It’s this part of the documentary that sticks in my mind. But that’s not to take away from all of it.

I held good opinions of Andrew when he was growing up and when he was a helicopter pilot. then all the attention focused on Diana and Fergie; after that he seemed to fade from view and didn't receive much publicity. I don't recall him being regarded as being arrogant, entitled or anything very much, other than boring 'air-miles Andy,' until the Epstein story broke. He didn't have a reputation as a womaniser or a pervert before the testimony of one woman based on one photograph.
His association with Epstein was dangerous and someone from his background should have been aware that the 'friendship' was carefully cultivated, for contacts and possible blackmail purposes. Epstein was a Machiavellian operator; I am quite sure Andrew would have been warned but perhaps this is where the arrogance comes in.

^ I don’t understand why everything in the press is taken as the truth, or why the anger over wealth and titles.^

I wonder the same when people use the press and “inside sources” to continually slate prince harry and his wife. The press is taken as gospel then.

Why not now?

eazybee Sat 08-Aug-20 16:15:21 posted -

"I held good opinions of Andrew when he was growing up and when he was a helicopter pilot. then all the attention focused on Diana and Fergie; after that he seemed to fade from view and didn't receive much publicity. I don't recall him being regarded as being arrogant, entitled or anything very much, other than boring 'air-miles Andy,' until the Epstein story broke. He didn't have a reputation as a womaniser or a pervert before the testimony of one woman based on one photograph."

Athough I have never been an avid follower of the RF, I couldn't help noticing the many reports I heard from conacts in the RN when he was younger. He wasn't called "Randy Andy" for nothing.

He always came across as very sleazy. and his marriage to kindred spirit Fergie didn't help.

My criticism of Megan And Harry is caused by their words and actions not by what is in the press.

But it is through the press & the media that we hear about them, & perhaps not in there entirety, a snippet here , a clip there ..... I don’t really have much interest , but I dondislike the way we are spoon feed by others.

Dislike the way we are spoon fed .

Anniebach

My criticism of Megan And Harry is caused by their words and actions not by what is in the press.

how do you know what their words or actions are without the press?

I mean you certainly refuse to spell her name properly, so it’s obvious how little you respected her from the beginning

In fairness, how would we know anything about Prince Andrew without the press? The things he is alleged to have done may very well be true, and quite frankly, I believe them. The same is true of Meghan and Harry. Having said that, they court the press with their endless press releases, and friends press releases. We do know as fact that they have launched several legal cases. Andrew on the hand, appears to be trying to avoid any contact with the police or courts interestingly.

I mean you certainly refuse to spell her name properly, so it’s obvious how little you respected her from the beginning

So wrong Summerlove you are no Miss Marple, when I first
wrote Megan is was a genuine mistake, I have family members
named Megan, I am use to spelling Megan, then the nit pickers
started so I have continued to spell Megan, if the nit pickers
had respect for a spelling error I would have changed the
spelling. I await your criticism for posters spelling the Queens name Lizzie, Charles- Charlie etc.

Never claimed to be miss marple.

No comment on how the press you distrust is your source of information about them?

Spell it how you want, but don’t pretend to be on high when you purposefully disrespect how someone spells their name.

Lizzie and Charlie are nicknames

Meghan and Megan are different names.

It’s not hard.

But I’d love to see where you respected Meghan to begin with? I’ve certainly never seen it.