I’m beginning to feel sorry for Prince Andrew.

I don't think Fergie was young and certainly not naive.

I think she found I'm boring in the end and said at one time he sat and watched videos all the time .

But they are together now in their boring old age.

It always puzzles me as to why the whole world seems to be interested in other people's sleazy lives.

I think Fergie, like Diana, was a bit young and naive when she married him. He probably seemed like a chap who was fun to be with and have around. Fortunately she saw the light.

Having lead a money no object, spoilt existence for so long he seems completely bemused at what all the fuss is about. The perils of privilege when you're a bit thick.

It’s because we have to look at the facts, whether they are men or women. Women are not unilaterally correct in everything just because they’re women.
I’m not defending Prince Andrew or any one else who uses power, status, or money to use girls or women. They’re disgusting! However, I wouldn’t want to write books about the sleazy details for the whole world to read.

I'm sorry for girls and women who are taken advantage of by any man rich or less so. We only have to look at those huge circles of Asian men who have groomed and repeatedly raped all these poor girls in Rotherham as well as other places.
I'm wary of documentaries. They are likely to be edited in such a way as to sensationalise the issues or they wouldn't be watched. They're all about money after all. Should it be shown at all? Is the matter not sub juice?
As to educated young women who enter these relationships with wealthy men with their eyes open I'm less sure.
However, I always liked Fergie and her girls. Good luck to them.

Galaxy

Bloody hell. The happy hooker. Yes that's what prostitution is like.

Well obviously.

Young women only exist as playthings apparently.

The ease at which some members demean women is shocking.

I don't exactly feel sorry for Prince Andrew, but I do have some sympathy for all people in the public eye who are pulled to bits by the press and public without us knowing all the facts
and making hasty judgements.
But, of course, I have lots of sympathy for all victims of powerful men... or women.

Yes, he's been a silly man, deluded that his position meant he'd be protected from repercussions. He's just found out that he just like any other male in that position!!

I feel sorry for his daughters. They certainly drew the short straw with their parents.

Indeed.

Anniebach no he hasn't been charged - by the same token he has also consistently refused to sit down for a face to face interview, as a WITNESS, with the FBI (who have offered to come to UK), that in itself fuels speculation he has something to hide.

As I said previously, Andrew is arrogant and full of self importance. I have no sympathy for him. But my sympathy for this woman, who keeps pushing her agenda forward in order to make money from it, has rapidly evaporated. I don’t know why she doesn’t get on with her life quietly now. Prince Andrew and his unsavoury friends have been outed. She has made money by writing a book. I think she courts the publicity to be honest.

It’s not just one person though.

Droit de seigneur.

He hasn’t been charged , would Joe Bloggs stand trial on
one persons allegations ?

Do we know he ruined his daughters wedding, she couldn’t have married in St.George’s Chapel, couldn’t have more than
30 guests.

Prince Andrew - born into a life of vast wealth and privilege. He's recently shown himself to be an arrogant, pompous liar (he's got a rare condition which means he doesn't sweat?!). My heart bleeds for him

I remember when Mr Knightly gave Emma a terrible row for being unkind. He told her if she had been nasty to a rich sort of person of her own social class that would be rather different from what she did, which was to insult someone who was poor and vulnerable .

Prince Andrew hardly requires your pity or sympathy.

Nezumi Absolutely.

Powerful, rich, arrogant men using and abusing other humans for their pleasure.
With the aid of a manipulative, powerful and rich woman.

Who on earth could feel sorry for this arrogant self important excuse for a man.
In my opinion he should face all charges and be locked up, if he were joe bloggs he would have stood trial by now.
He ruined his daughters wedding mind you I wouldn’t have wanted a father like that at my wedding
As well as countless young women’s lives,I wonder what other royals really think of him.

This is the documentary - it was excellent - spent a lot of time with the Florida police dept who had tried to convict him years ago. www.netflix.com/gb/title/80224905

And listening to the interviews with many girls Maxwell is up to her neck in it.

Epstein didn’t bring people together for relationships, nor was it prostitution as such. He manipulated vulnerable young girls and abused them.

I think if you feel sorry for him you need to watch the Epstein documentary currently on Netflix. He trafficked hundreds (at least) of vulnerable young girls - some as young as 13. He gave them as gifts to powerful men while they were visiting them and then videoed them to use as blackmail (possibly). He was untouchable because he was so rich.

This isn’t the case of someone having poor choice in friends, this is someone powerful - at the very best turning a blind eye to what was going on. And that’s the best possible version of events.

Agree with everything you said Bluebelle

If these women were as keen to share their alleged experiences with other men too rather than the most bankable then one might have a modicum of sympathy for them.

Spot on merlotgran.

eazybee

Does Virginia Guiffre ever consider the impact the constant re-telling of these brief but sordid aspects of her life will have on her children?

Hopefully they will grow up learning that victims should be able to speak out and that powerful men have no right to exploit young vulnerable women.