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I know I m going to get my head bitten off but here goes anyway

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BlueBelle Thu 03-Sept-20 16:51:48

I don’t think there’s another thread but if there is I apologise
There are so many (often quite nasty) threads about Harry and Meghan on here and now we have pictures of William and Kate shooting birds while they choose to have their son watching and there’s not a peep of disapproval
Well I think it’s abysmal for a child to watch any kind of killing of animals especially when it’s for pleasure and please don’t bother telling me they need culling ...,it’s a so called sport and I personally think it’s horrendous
now you can all have a go at me

merlotgran Thu 03-Sept-20 21:28:19

grannyrebel7

I love the royals but I don't approve of this at all. I remember seeing a pic of the queen wringing a bird's neck years ago. Didn't like that either. It's true the upper classes don't see anything wrong with it.

It's important to dispatch an injured bird quickly and efficiently.

Why do some people think it's only the upper classes who shoot game? Anyone can join a shoot. Yes, it's expensive but no more so than having two or three holidays a year or spending a fortune on a car.

When DH was a farm manager the farm shoot was rented by an NHS consultant. Most of the members were surgeons. The main purpose of the shoot, other than birds for the table, was to train gun dogs.

Anniebach Thu 03-Sept-20 21:28:18

Are you vegan MissAdventure. ?

Greeneyedgirl Thu 03-Sept-20 21:24:52

I agree with your last sentence Iam.

MissAdventure Thu 03-Sept-20 21:23:06

So, two wrongs do make a right then?

Iam64 Thu 03-Sept-20 21:18:51

I wouldn't want to shoot birds, rabbits, deer but that doesn't mean I feel outraged by photographs of people who do this. Pheasants are bred for the shoot on country estates. It's a business, some people pay to have a day's shooting, the retrievers get an outing and its seen as good revenue raising , productive business.
Deer hunting is something I find distressing but that's because I see them happily roaming on local moorland. In some areas their is a need to cull them. We no longer have wolves in Scotland, that would be an ecologically sound way to keep the population down I suppose, though no doubt the wolves would also eat cattle and sheep. It looks as though an organised shoot that raises money and manages the deer population is the way to go.
I have occasionally been vegetarian, don't eat a lot of meat and always try to buy from reputable sources.
I honestly can't see the difference except that animals in slaughter houses probably endure more terror than those killed by a single shot. Either we don't eat meat or fish, anything with a face frankly or I don't think we can criticise folks, even PrinceWilliam.

grannyrebel7 Thu 03-Sept-20 21:17:01

I love the royals but I don't approve of this at all. I remember seeing a pic of the queen wringing a bird's neck years ago. Didn't like that either. It's true the upper classes don't see anything wrong with it.

Greeneyedgirl Thu 03-Sept-20 21:15:03

Well I have been thinking about giving up meat eating for some time now, and this thread has just about settled it for me.

Chewbacca Thu 03-Sept-20 21:07:55

That is indeed alarming trisher. But from what the article says, most of the birds of prey are being poisoned, not shot and that's clearly not only unacceptable, it's illegal too. From what I read, hen barriers kill off the grouse chicks and that's why estate managers are shooting them.

I can only reiterate that, having been raised rurally and being quite used to my father coming home with rabbits, hares and pheasants that had been shot for the table; I have no issue with it. Poisoning them, I don't agree with.

merlotgran Thu 03-Sept-20 21:05:54

I don't believe if Kate had the choice she would do this.

There is no evidence to suggest that Kate is taking part in shoots although I have read she's a good shot.

Of course she has a choice.

beverly10 Thu 03-Sept-20 21:01:02

I don't believe if Kate had the choice she would do this. All part and parcel if you want to be one of the 'firm'. Say what you will about Meghan I could never see her doing this if the Sussex's had remained in the UK. .

MawB2 Thu 03-Sept-20 20:59:15

Now this is truly barbaric - trapping songbirds
From The Guardian
Yves Verilhac, of France’s Ligue pour la Protection des Oiseaux (LPO), knows why. “The singing you can hear is from caged thrushes and blackbirds who are appellants (callers). They’re caught and kept in the dark for months so when they’re taken out into daylight they sing their hearts out and attract other
He points above the treetops where clusters of sticks attached to vertical poles glisten in the nascent sunlight. “Those are verguettes: sticks covered in glue. The callers call, other birds come, land on a verguette, and they’re stuck. The more they struggle to get away, the more they become stuck
The trilling Provençal songbirds are unwitting decoys to lure more birds into a death trap, he says. Once enticed, the birds are either blasted out of the sky by hunters hidden in camouflaged cabins, or find themselves stuck on the sticks
It is a scene with which readers of Roald Dahl’s The Twits – in which the Twits coat branches with glue to catch birds to bake in a pie – will be familiar.
La chasse à la glu – glue-trapping – was banned in the EU by a 1979 bird directive, except in special circumstances where it is “controlled, selective and in limited quantities”. Since 1989, France has invoked these circumstances to permit glue-trapping in five south-east departments on the grounds that it is “traditional”

GrannyGravy13 Thu 03-Sept-20 20:57:17

Merlot I agree with all your posts

trisher Thu 03-Sept-20 20:54:23

Chewbacca this might help. I have heard it is the tip of an. iceberg. www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/wildlife-and-the-law/wild-bird-crime/birdcrime-2018/

Chewbacca Thu 03-Sept-20 20:49:14

So long as the birds are eaten trisher, I have no issue with who eats them. Just killing the birds and leaving them to rot is a whole different matter.

Anniebach Thu 03-Sept-20 20:46:46

Large estates, top restaurants !

trisher Thu 03-Sept-20 20:44:22

Chewbaca I do think the idea that it is someone out shooting a couple of birds they will then eat is slightly different to shooting hundreds which are sent off immediately to feed others. I'm not sure I know why.

Chewbacca Thu 03-Sept-20 20:41:49

Which birds of prey are killed in their thousands by estate staff biba? Most birds of prey are protected species, so I'd be very interested to know which estate managers are illegally killing specific birds please.

merlotgran Thu 03-Sept-20 20:41:12

Shooting birds of prey is illegal.

I wonder who eats the thousands of larks etc., that are killed in Europe?

biba70 Thu 03-Sept-20 20:34:11

I wonder who eats the 1000s of birds of prey killed by the staff working for shooting estates?

sparklingsilver28 Thu 03-Sept-20 20:30:11

I grew up with fowl raised for the pot during WW2. Really I cannot see any difference between killing and eating lamb, pork, beef and the shooting and eating birds. As long as all kills are humane then I have no problem.

Curlywhirly Thu 03-Sept-20 20:30:08

LauraNorder spot on.

Chewbacca Thu 03-Sept-20 20:29:45

Many of the birds are already earmarked for top restaurants.

Does it actually matter who eats them?

merlotgran Thu 03-Sept-20 20:22:55

trisher

But the people taking part in the very expensive shoots are not shooting for their table -they shoot too many to eat themselves. Many of the birds are already earmarked for top restaurants.

Yes. It's an industry. Part of the local economy.

It doesn't matter who eats them.

trisher Thu 03-Sept-20 20:19:38

But the people taking part in the very expensive shoots are not shooting for their table -they shoot too many to eat themselves. Many of the birds are already earmarked for top restaurants.

Chewbacca Thu 03-Sept-20 20:14:53

Exactly Merlotgran, grouse, pheasant, ptarmigan and partridge are all shot for the table; quite legally as from the 12th August. Not just by F...ing toffs either.