I know I m going to get my head bitten off but here goes anyway

Callistemon

“I do hope you're all going to eat ethically sourced vegan food tonight. Otherwise perhaps you should examine your consciences.“

yes I am

Kartush, killing hares is immoral because wild animals should have the right to eat the small amount they take. The farmer's profits are not the top ethic.

Hares are not vermin. Vermin are classified as species that would decimate mankind. Hares don't come near that!

I don’t think anything should be killed in the name of sport. So I totally agree with you.

Ah, but with regard to Meghan, everyone seems to know all about everything (even though they aren't there, either)

I take that to be the point bluebelle was making.

TBH I would be surprised if William took George to watch a shoot knowing that it could provoke a Twitter storm especially as George will soon be returning to school.

What might have happened is Kate took George to join William and other members of the RF for the shoot lunch.

Of course none of us knows what happened because we weren't there and it's all assumption.

CBBL, I'm a vegan but, in a survival situation, my need to survive, and real hunger, would overcome any food preferences.

As a child I was taught to kill, pull and pluck chickens, skin rabbits etc. (no wonder I was veggie by the age of 12) - so I'm sure I'd manage a bird or small animal. There's no way I could manage to kill a large one, though!

I disagree completely with shooting as so called Sport ! Unless people are living in a wilderness, with no other option to survive. A very rare event, in this day and age! In this latter situation, I'm sure I would starve, as I could not bring myself to shoot or trap an animal, even for survival purposes. I wouldn't be able to "prepare" it either. I also wouldn't put myself in that position. I might be willing to forage - but as previously stated, I'm pretty sure that I would starve!

Bluebelle, maybe I don't quite get it? It makes no difference, at all, to the bird, whether it's shot for sport or to save crops. Country sports, crops defence, farming, nature - all barbaric to me.

I still feel more sorry for the farm animals (mere babies) killed for meat. At least the wild bird had some natural, free life. So many people protest - yet still munch on their meat!

The claim has come from PETA but there is no evidence that William was shooting grouse last weekend let alone Kate and George going along as well.

Unlike Harry and Meghan, I doubt the Cambridges will be looking for someone to sue and I'm sure whatever happened, George won't be psychologically damaged.

Oh I get it Bluebelle, I just don’t agree! And I’m fine with that, and I hope you get there too ? it’s a lot better than flouncing!

I love the exchange of views on here, things I hadn’t thought of et cetera I’ve learned a lot but on balance, I haven’t been converted!

It's not at all clear whether or not this is true.

BARBARIC and William and Kate should be ashamed to have their child present

BlueBelle Please will you tell us where this information has come from?

There is a difference between shooting a bird you or someone is going to eat, though, Bluebelle and killing an endangered wild animal for fun which will not consequently be eaten.

MawB the barbaric practice of gluing to trap little birds was commonplace in Lot et Garonne where we lived from 2013 until 2017. EU law means little to some.

Hetty there is a v........ast difference between defending your crops and grinning with glee that you’ve shot a bird out of the sky
BARBARIC and William and Kate should be ashamed to have their child present
I guess you’d use the same argument when people are sat astride an elephant or giraffe they have just cleverly shot just because they can ......uhhhhh

I stand by my first post. Kill for food not for pleasure.
To say it's what the upper classes do and we can't change it.
Raping maids was, maybe still is, a sport of the upper classes. We wouldn't condone that and by virtue of public outcry they know it now so we can change their attitudes.
I do understand that it isn't just an upper class sport, although 'sport' says it all. I understand that culls can be necessary in the prevention of disease, I agree that we have to kill if we want to eat meat, I understand that battery farming is evil.
Kill to eat or to conserve not for sport or pleasure.
I do admire much of what the Cambridges do and do not admire much of the behaviour of the Sussexes but don't want to see either glamorise the killing of animals for pleasure.

Well the Royals are from the hunting, shooting and fishing brigade, so there you go!

If you mean they care about land management, protecting the countryside and providing employment/supporting local economies then I agree with you.

BTW Have I mentioned hunting has been banned and is therefore illegal?

Well said furret and soniah
All animals deserve to live and not be hunted haunted and killed
Ohpantglass you just don’t get it do you I give up it’s not worth my breath ??‍♂️

Pantglas2, good point! I make my bread from rice and cashew flour but my daughter works for a cereal farm. A chap there is employed, full time, just to shoot wood pigeons. There are free pigeons to feed farm workers - and their pets!

Well the Royals are from the hunting, shooting and fishing brigade, so there you go!

‘Cuse typos. I’m sure you get gist.

SJV07

Badgers & foxes need culling as they are vermin. Have you seen a chicken house raided???

Badgers and foxes has the right to live, breed, raise young, eat, etc.. If you value your chickens then fox-proof their living accommodation. Yes, I have seen the aftermath of a raid, by foxes and by a ferret. Not nice. But if we choose to raise and animal such as chickens or guinea pigs then we have a responsibility to keep them save.

I’ve always believed in eating what you kill or don’t do it, or at the least someone eats what you kill.

The idea that you can’t enjoy seeing whether you’re a good enough shot than the target is at escaping seems odd when taking to the nth degree. Are we not to enjoy eating flesh either? No yum yum sounds as food is served?

On the vegan point, I hope none are eating bread as more creatures are killed in wheat fields than on grouse moors!

I'm vegetarian but those who say grouse are bred for shooting they are not. Pheasants are. What people don't always realise is the numbers of raptors and other wildlife which are killed to protect the grouse for hunting. Poisons are put down and just recently someone has a dog poisoned on the grouse moors. Time for these shoots to be stopped. Too many birds are killed to eat so they are buried in pits, what a waste of life

Kartush, I'm a vegan by choice, but for those who do eat meat, killing your own is the best, most honest way, I'm sure, of ensuring a quick, 'clean' end.

trisher, some birds may not die instantly - just as some farmed birds don't either!