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Heavy Handed Teacher of Seven Year Olds.

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Ashcombe Sat 12-Sept-20 18:27:42

This week my granddaughter, aged seven, had a page ripped out of her book by her Y3 teacher for a minor infringement of his rule about setting out. (She forgot to miss a line between the title and the writing.) Three other children were treated similarly.
As a retired teacher, mainly of Y6, I understand the need to establish rules about neat presentation but I would never resort to this aggressive style of implementing my standards. My DGD is conscientious and cooperative in school but her confidence has taken a knock by this strong reaction from her teacher in the first week of term.

Rumtumtoby Tue 15-Sept-20 09:57:20

That is just appalling. I am retired now but was a classroom assistant and wore many other hats within education for many years and my husband was a teacher.
If a teacher had treated my daughter or my granddaughter like that she would have been taken to task immediately. And reported to her head teacher.
In my experience once a teacher knows that you have experience in the education environment they treat you and your family completely differently which is totally not fair but in my case when we had a problem very true.

Theoddbird Tue 15-Sept-20 09:56:28

Report to head teacher definitely...

Operalover Tue 15-Sept-20 09:53:58

I thought this type of teaching( bullying) had died out long ago , apparently not. Disgraceful behaviour from a professional.

H1954 Tue 15-Sept-20 09:53:29

What a nasty person this teacher is! Her actions were nothing short of bullying in my opinion. I'd definitely speak to the teacher and the school Head.

Additionally, what a waste of paper too!

Neilspurgeon0 Tue 15-Sept-20 09:48:29

Oh annodomini how I feel for you. Mrs. Thomas 1959-1960, bloody woman, knocked every interest in learning out of my head for years.

Thank God for the Royal Navy who taught me that it is ok to make mistakes, so long as you learn by them. Bloody perfectionists should NEVER be allowed into classrooms.

Yellowmellow Tue 15-Sept-20 09:45:59

Not sure what this behaviour is supposed to teach a child especially one so young. This also isn't building confidence and self esteem in children. I'd be having a word with the Head teacher. This type of teaching and discipline went out years ago. Thank god

albertina Tue 15-Sept-20 09:45:47

Like others here I worked as a primary school teacher. This teacher was wrong to do that to a child, it was a very old fashioned move. I would have a word with the Head teacher. That teacher may be approaching burnout. All teachers are stressed with the current crisis, but there is no excuse for this action.
I was regularly humiliated at school as a child ( strict Catholic schools) and it left me with very low self esteem. When I became a teacher I vowed never to do that to any child in my care.

jaylucy Tue 15-Sept-20 09:43:25

That is something they used to do when I was at school x years ago!
Talking to a retired teacher , the reasoning behind it, apparently , was that it was done so that the workbook didn't look untidy!
Always used to make me think that with an attitude like that, it makes you feel that you cannot make any mistakes at all - even if you are a complete novice!
Too old fashioned and possible lasting effects - there are much better ways it could have been dealt with.

ExD Tue 15-Sept-20 09:24:01

I was thinking exactly the same as Furret because this would have been quite normal when I was at school. Please don't turn the poor child into a victim by encouraging her to complain when a teacher criticises her work.
One thing is sure, she'll never forget to leave a line under the heading in future!
(I don't mean to sound unsympathetic but get it in proportion, please)

Furret Tue 15-Sept-20 09:16:57

I thought this kind of aggressive behaviour was in the past. Yes, it used to happen but most teachers are not like that anymore. Different breed. This should not happen and needs to be nipped in the bud. Talk to HT.

Ellianne Tue 15-Sept-20 09:16:36

What children tell their parents about what goes on at school is nothing compared with what (little) children tell teachers goes on at home!! grin

trisher Tue 15-Sept-20 08:55:54

Just thinking of things children report to their parents I once had a girl who told hers she had seen a picture of a naked man on the computer at school. An investigation was launched and firewalls etc checked, we couldn't see how she could have seen such a thing. Eventually after much questioning we found out it was Leonardo's Vitruvian man she had seen! (Sorry for deflecting thread)

Elrel Tue 15-Sept-20 00:18:22

Lucyanne
KS2 SATs marking doesn’t now include a penalty for not missing a line between title and writing, does it?

As a marker I was expected to award or deduct marks for some questionable reasons but I don’t recall that being one. One of the oddest we had was in a comprehension with the answer as a year, 1796 for instance. The mark was given if the digits were correct regardless of the order!

Chardy Sun 13-Sept-20 18:57:33

My adult daughter had a teacher whrn in Y2 who was difficult with many of the kids in DD's class. It turns out teacher had cancer, and subsequently was off the remainder of that year.
I'm not defending such behaviour, I'm appalled by it, but before we jump to conclusions, talk to the teacher. I can't imagine the stress in school at present, these ludicrous book reviews, lesson observations, threat of OFSTED in January as well as worries about own family's health, and trying to make up for lost time in school.

Harris27 Sun 13-Sept-20 18:25:57

Not good n dit will have a detrimental effect on her. Speak to the teacher in question ( sorry I mean her parents) and ask why he thought the need to do this I’m sure he will be having complaints.

Sarnia Sun 13-Sept-20 18:14:56

My youngest grand-daughter had a picture she had drawn in class ripped up in front of her. She was in Reception at the time aged 4. She was sobbing about it as soon as she came out of class that afternoon. My daughter mentioned this to the teacher in charge of that Key Stage and that teacher, in his first year, was spoken to. I am all for discipline and getting learning across but that almost seemed like the actions of a bully to me.

Lucca Sun 13-Sept-20 18:11:04

Ellianne

Lucca
^Off topic a tiny bit. The granddaughter of a friend was in the school playground with her friends practising their cartwheels etc. Aged 5-6. She was told that now she was in year 1 she shouldn’t show her knickers...........
Really shocking attitude.
I’m quoting myself here... just ordered what people thought about this.^
Do you mean wondered Lucca?! I'll offer my thoughts.
It is a sensitive area.
Not that it makes a lot of difference to what was said, but was it a male or female teacher. I could see myself letting such a comment slip in the playground back in the day. Oops!
If the teacher humiliated the little girl in front of her friends, then that is not on at all. If, however, it were a passing off the cuff comment, I wouldn't make a great fuss. As several girls were all doing the same thing I would have expected it to have been a general observation.

Yes . Wondered.
I was horrified. The girls were doing cartwheels etc why on earth shouldn’t their knickers be seen ? They are 5 years old.
It’s 2020.

Nightsky2 Sun 13-Sept-20 18:06:23

Forgot to mention what my sons crime was, he talked in class when the class was told not to talk when they’d finished their work. It was backed up by his friends when interviewed by the head.

Ellianne Sun 13-Sept-20 17:47:40

When I was at junior school in East London we had a teacher known to the kids, parents and probably the entire neighbourhood, as Mr. Shout and Clout. He never once raised his voice or touched a hair on a child's head, but everyone knew he was capable of doing so, and fell into line. And that's the difference in them old days! Great teacher, kind man.

Antonia Sun 13-Sept-20 17:38:26

How very upsetting for your granddaughter. It seems an unnecessarily aggressive action and not at all up to the standard of today's teaching.
Being in my late sixties, I can remember the teacher coming around the class to inspect our exercise books. We were meant to crease each page in the middle, and I had been too zealous and made a crease with my thumb that tore the page. The teacher sent me to the headmistress with my torn book and I got a spanking for allegedly 'destroying my book.'
Needless to say, I was very careful after that experience but I still remember how terrified I was, the humiliation and the pain, even after so many years.
I thought things had moved on though in recent times, and that today's teachers were far more sensitive to children's feelings.

Gwyneth Sun 13-Sept-20 17:21:11

Neither do I Callistemon I don’t think judgements can be made when hearing one side of the story.

Callistemon Sun 13-Sept-20 16:46:12

Gwyneth

Has the teacher concerned been given an opportunity to explain his actions? Or has he been ‘hung, drawn and quartered already’.

A good question.

I do wonder, too, if a Head Teacher would express an opinion to a parent on issues they may have with a particular teacher.

As we don't know what actually happened, I don't think condemning a teacher like this is appropriate.

lemongrove Sun 13-Sept-20 16:45:40

Gwynneth?

It certainly was an OTT reaction from the teacher, but one thing’s for sure.....the children will all remember to leave the right spaces next time.
I suppose it shows how teachers have changed if this behaviour is viewed with horror though, it would have been normal years ago ( when the vagaries of teachers never amazed us children.)?

Marydoll Sun 13-Sept-20 16:41:29

He has been hung, drawn and quartered already on this thread.

I'm certainly not condoning what he did, nor saying the pupil wasn't telling the truth, but there are always two sides to a story. We only have one, the OP's.

Gwyneth Sun 13-Sept-20 16:37:30

Has the teacher concerned been given an opportunity to explain his actions? Or has he been ‘hung, drawn and quartered already’.