Points of view- caps

Gregory Porter

And coincidentally, we passed Gregory Porter, complete with hat, in the street shortly afterwards. I’d never heard of him at the time, but DH was in awe. Hope he didn’t go into that church.

Never mind caps, my DH got firmly dunted in the back and told off like a naughty schoolboy for having a hand in his jacket pocket when we were looking round a church in Vilnius. There was a large group of teenagers rampaging round shouting, chewing gum and taking selfies with the holy statues at the time. Probably wearing hats as well.

Generally it doesn’t bother me if men wear hats indoors. If I am in conversation with one (man) I am far more interested in what he is saying than if he a hat on.

However there is one exception and it detracts from my enjoyment of his excellent music - Gregory Porter - as his choice of headgear is unusual and often is at odds with his clothing. There may be a reason for it, or it may be a gimmick.

We can't talk about the pandemic all the time - sometimes we need some relief from it.
A discussion about hat wearing is an excellent topic, Cabbie21. In answer to your question - it does bother me a bit but no more so than losing many other small civilities. I'm losing the strength to be outraged by much these days.

The reason why men remove their hats in church and indoors harks back to the days when warriors wore helmets. If a man removed a helmet he was signalling that he came in peace eg to someone‘a house or to a house of God. Doffing a hat to a lady also signals that he has no violent intent.
Well that’s the way I’ve always understood it.

Furret

This thread is no more irrelevant at the present time than ones I have seen recently about what top to wear with a certain skirt, Christmas preparations, certain tv programmes, leftover food etc etc.......

Furret

We’re in the middle of a pandemic, that is likely to get a lot worse before it gets better. Thousands are losing their lives and livelihoods. We are governed by donkeys and Trump stands a chance of being re-elected yet someone is bothered by a man wearing a hat indoors

Give me strength!

Furret there are threads on all the things you quote elsewhere on the forums. Why go to all the trouble of posting on this one just to make a derogatory remark? I'm genuinely puzzled....

In answer to the question: yes, it does bother me.
Old habits die hard.

I sometimes see men who have bald heads or not much hair and who might wear caps to hide this - Phillip Pullman comes to mind, and I do understand this.
I wonder why it was considered rude for men to wear hats indoors but not women?

I must say you are a wee bitty ott , and I don’t like those initials !

Manners? Tradition? It’s a hat FFS.

You want to moan about a hat.

Oh well Furret lets forget manners , traditions , whatever , and sit and moan , maybe sackcloth and ashes for the cheerful in these times?

We’re in the middle of a pandemic, that is likely to get a lot worse before it gets better. Thousands are losing their lives and livelihoods. We are governed by donkeys and Trump stands a chance of being re-elected yet someone is bothered by a man wearing a hat indoors

Give me strength!

@Jane10 ?

Thanks, Tweedle and welbeck. ?‍♀️

It just feels wrong to me to see a man wearing a hat indoors.
Actually, I'm so gorgeous that I'm aware my flowing tresses are a risk to any man who might catch sight of them. They wouldn't be able to restrain themselves. Hence I wear my large flowery bath cap at all times.

i think the headgear difference reflects tradional gender roles/ status.
a woman is expected to cover her head/hair, as she is seen as an earthly creature, possible alluring/distracting to men, so must cover her head, as that physical attractiveness is the root of her value or status. still seen in some religions.
whereas a man was seen as a natural leader, and his particular role or office was often indicated by his headgear. hence military caps.
so in the presence of the big leader, ie house of g=d, he doffs his cap to shew deference to the greater, ultimate authority source.
you can still see this in prisons, where an officer entering another officer's wing may remove his cap to shew that acknowledges his fellow officer's authority in that wing. esp when conducting official visitors, he will ask permission to enter that area, even from same rank officer. it is professional courtesy.
and all to do with concepts of "headship".

didn't they say a womans hair was her pride and pride must always be covered in the presence of god/in gods house.I was raised Catholic and although we wore hats to mass when we were wee once we became teenagers it was Mantillas .All the older women wore hats I still have a nice selection of mantillas some bought in mainland Europe from lovely lace .Not worn one for decades

Spangler

Yes, I quite understand what you are saying about funerals. I have never been to a Jewish funeral, but I see what you mean.

I once had to ask a teenage girl, helping in our school , to take her baseball cap off in class. She had no idea that it was unacceptable. It was part of her ‘uniform’, and therefore justified. It was a bit of a struggle.

I echo what scribbles said.

Scribbles I believe St Paul asked the women to cover their hair as they were admiring each other’s coiffures instead of listening to the service. I don’t think he foresaw the fancy millinery that became fashionable in later centuries.

I wonder if men’s headgear etiquette has anything to do with military custom?

It doesn't seem to come naturally to men these days. Which looks really odd when modern men are acting in period dramas. I was watching a Sherlock Holmes episode (a Jeremy Brett one) and couldn't concentrate on what they were saying because both Watson and Lestrade had their bowler hats on INDOORS but, more important, in the presence of a dead woman. Surely on both counts, any Edwardian would have removed their hat automatically.

There's a couple of good reasons why Mr Blades would wear a cap indoors. As protection of airborne dust and particles when he's working, but more probably it's the fact that in the hirsute department, he's somewhat challenged.

Baldness can be a very sensitive subject for some men you only have to look at how much Elton John has spent, or for that matter, the late Bruce Forsyth. Mr Blades would rather cover up with a cap than go down the hair piece route.

Calendargirl Sun 20-Sep-20 16:22:00
I know it makes me old fashioned, but I think a funeral in church is definitely one place where the hat should be removed.
Only because of tradition, if you went to a Jewish funeral where all the men covered their heads, you would accept that too.
I love it if a hat-wearing male doffs his hat to me. Makes me feel special.
This made my day, I have a small collection of hats, felt for colder months and straw for warmer, all are fedoras and I always get a smile and a thank you from a lady when I touch the brim and say, "after you."