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We paved the way in the sixties with our dismantling of all sorts of taboos & restrictions. Older generations were appalled at the freedoms we took for ourselves. Since then we have become progressively more desensitised in so many aspects of our lives. It takes far more nowadays to shock, and the result is what we see and hear around us, young people expressing themselves in new ways, just as we did.

"t's the age we live in I'm afraid with the focus on the younger members of society"
Nothing new there. In the 60s and ever since the focus has always been on the young. We, back then, thought we were the centre of the universe in such a brave new wonderful age. It's for us to step aside now and understand that every new generation feels just the same.

Sign of the times.?No one forces us to listen the same applies to TV, we watch or switch to something else.Different subject but has anyone watched Naked Attraction? now that is a sad /sick person who feels the need to chose a partner by first looking at their private parts.

sorry JayLucy
posted before I saw your post

Since watching The Crown we have being trying to speak a little more proper! I did enjoy the racey Princess Margaret episode where her photo in the paper at the end made Prince Phillip declare "Oh I say!"!

I am sorry if this offends anyone but my view is that this behaviour and music -not that I would call it music
is mostly down to “Social Media “ ie: facebook, youtube etc etc
don’t know the names of half of them.
These sites allow such “** to be published.Youngsters seem to follow slavishly what ever is on there so sad.

Phloebundle Me too. Radio 4 for talk and Classic FM for music.
Trouble is, I am now curious about the words that offend ?

I'm happy to say I know nothing about rap (music!!!!!!) lyrics as I only listen to radio 4 or my ancient CD player.

I have to wonder if todays teens actually will remember lyrics of todays music like many of us do of the music of our teen years.
I think over time, what many would class as swearing or bad language is so prevalent amongst younger people that it has become the norm and so is not really noticed. You only have to walk past a group of teens and the F word is often used every other word so just becomes a term of anger or expression rather than an expletive.
I am one of the admins on a community FB group and a lot of my time is spent removing posts with swearing in and often end up having either an online argument with the person that posted it asking why their comment has been deleted ! I might add that these are from people that are in their 30s +, not teenagers!

Lucca,! LOL we used to say "pass wind"

I hate "the" f word,,, you know.. fu....

but thinking about it,, it is only a word isn`t it.. human created?

but for me it is when it is inserted so many times into a sentence, or sometimes not even a sentence... if it actually meant something....

aren`t we a funny lot!

And i love Eminem. It's not the swearing used for effect in an arty way as pps have suggested it's the acceptance of violent sex. One woman making money out of glamourising the constant availability of a female's orifices for any man's wants. Leaves so many others of all ages worldwide open to predatory abuse.

Personally i too find it appalling. I have a 10 year old GD who humps the floor to WAP while making Tik Tok videos and her mother thinks this is perfectly fine.
What the hell are we teaching kids? When i was 10 i was just moving up from Brownies to Guides and we were a single parent family living on a rougher council estate. Parents just can't be bothered they're too busy watching the same shit on their phones. It's not lack of money or opportunities it is lazy parenting.
How can anything be changed with the environment or equality when kids are thinking this utter garbage is normal life. It's just teaching sexual violence is acceptable. Then women get called left wing feminists for trying to ensure they can work safely and equally. I despair i really do.
And we are all told to butt out if we have the audacity to approach GD about it.

I dislike the violence aspect of a lot of rap . However, as to bad language I remember having to stand by my record player ( look it up kids!!!) to lift the needle before David Bowie sangthe word ‘ wa*#king’ and my Dad heard it _ more innocent times??

Yes, things seem so lax now - vocabulary has shrunk and interests so sex orientated - all very sad.

But, everything seems to go in a spiral. Children rebel against parents but then, when their children rebel against them, they tend to be back to the ideas of the grandparents. Focus seems to jump a generation.

So, live long enough to laugh when your children have problems with your grandchildren reaching teenagehood!

Yes, but it isn't only in music, is it?

Language that I had literally never heard (or read) before I was 21 in 1972 is now in daily use.

This applies not only to English, but to most European languages as well. My Danish grandmother who died in 1964 would have a fit, if she came back and heard the expressions being used in daily conversation here today.

In 1970 a young man in Hamburg ( I was young then too) apologised for using a swear word in front of me, nowadays even the Germans who are less likely to use what we learned were rude words in mixed company would use the word without blinking.

I feel it diminishes language when people swear rather than explain what they are annoyed about, but seem to be in a very small minority.

That’s what parents and grandparents are for- to teach children what is appropriate and what’s not. I’ve worked in a behavioural school, where language was extremely ripe (I’ve been called a c*%#, a paedo, told to suck my dad’s *%}^....

Without exception, those children (they were primary age) spent most of their free time on YouTube.

My kids didn’t swear, even though they were aware of the words, because we didn’t allow access to forums where it was used casually; we did a lot with them, and we simply said, ‘ that’s not what Moomins do’.

Personally, I am not generally a fan of rap and live alone so am not subjected to listening to the lyrics. However, according to the advertising agencies it seems to be very much in the forefront these days. It seems that most of the adverts on the tv come with a rap poem attached spoken in a dreadful accent with appalling diction, so I turn them off too so I don't have to listen . Incidentally the one that irritates least is the Snoop Dogg one. Hey ho, each to their own I suppose..

Roxie62

Just listened to Cardi B. The lyrics are disgusting. Not much shocks me but this has. I would not like my grand daughter or grandson to be listening to this. My little granddaughter has just started school and a little boy already has mentioned the word “fart”. She said to me “thats not very nice is it Nanny?” Bless her.

You are joking? What else could you say other than fart when such a thing occurs ?!

It’s strange isn’t it that sexually explicit lyrics would be banned then and yet the unloving hateful misogyny of so much rap is ignored now. And the latter is so much more dangerous. Makes the boys feel good and the girls used and expendable.

No, you aren't being too old fashioned. Or if you are, so am I. I am pretty open minded about sex really, but I hate a lot of these horrible (usually rap) songs with disgusting language and lyrics. It's the vulgarity of them. I assume you're talking about Wet Ass Pussy and such like. I'm actually appalled that apparently a lot of quite young children are listening to stuff like that and singing along.

There is lots of casualness about so many things now compared to years ago. Different ways of communicating. We on this forum are sharing thoughts and opinions by writing them for total strangers to read. Is that right? .
So i am sure each generation feels the same about how music language does that too. Small kids singing lyrics that shock your granny! I chat to my grandchildren about how it makes me feel and use it as an opportunity to remind them about the importance of self respect and conducting yourself in a way that makes them feel comfortable and keeps them safe. Sad that some out there dont ever get guidence and stumble through life in a very painful way. I guess its fodder creative arts though..

Must admit that I’ve never listened to rap but the bits I have heard , or heard about, do sound angry and bitter and seem to advocate violence particularly against women. I know... change Chanel, and I would but would a child be so selective and are the messages in this ‘poetry’ healthy ? I don’t have sons but if I did , would I want them listening to stuff like this ? It’s only words but words are a powerful tool .

Just listened to Cardi B. The lyrics are disgusting. Not much shocks me but this has. I would not like my grand daughter or grandson to be listening to this. My little granddaughter has just started school and a little boy already has mentioned the word “fart”. She said to me “thats not very nice is it Nanny?” Bless her.

Sorry I’m agreeing with E.V. And without sounding too rude or harsh, if you don’t like it then don’t listen, plenty of other music around. They are just words, words you can ignore

I'm still laughing at Snoop Dog, He was a hardened rapper and now he advertises Just Eat. Scruples disappeared when money was involved it seems.