Rather pay than give in

Lucretzia no, that wasn’t what I meant, rather that the less educated were less equipped to filter the messages pushed on the public by the tabloid press and unscrupulous politicians who honed in on the immigration issues and sold them a pup.

There is always so much vitriol in these threads. We are where we are, let’s look forward and look to the positives. The UK govt will have more money as it was a net contributor to the EU. This is a good thing, although I suspect the economy will be bad for a while due to Covid. I will make the most of it. And I come from working class stock although you would probably call me middle class now, and have a Mensa IQ.

It’s not the arrogance of cronyism merlotgran, that’s the dangerous kind.

So what you're saying is those less educated than your own good selves shouldn't be voting.

Privileged middle class women don't get to see much depravity and how some people have to live. Maybe those people thought things might change. Worthy of their vote. Partially why do many Labour seats turned blue at the election

The way you're talking is making me wish I'd not voted Remain.

Such misplaced snobbery and total lack of compassion for anyone who wanted to see if they could get change.

And like Callistemon I too have anecdotal evidence. Young doctor PhD. Voted Leave. Aged 30.

He hails from Africa.

The EU don't have a great record even dealing with Africa.

GagaJo

25Avalon

Why is one side so sure it is right and everyone else is wrong, racist and idiots? It must be great to have such certainty.

Because when asked, a lot of Brexit voters voted that way because they were anti immigration and voiced comments such as 'England is full up'.

How narrow minded of you to assume that all Brexit voters think that way.

How many is a lot?

Ruth showed a bit of backbone over the threat of a border in the Irish Sea, I think Biba, but has been a bit quiet about it recently.

Probably been busy ordering her ermine.

"Unbelievable, just spat my tea ..."

Remind me not to sit opposite you at the table, biba70...

Casdon

Sadly lemongrove the country will be moving on, and it will ultimately largely be the educated remainers who have the task of salvaging what’s left after this debacle.

By the way, the fact that we weren’t all on this site four years ago may indicate that we’re slightly younger and more likely to reap the consequences of a decision made by the ill informed - it certainly doesn’t mean that our needles have been stuck in the same groove for four years.

This post certainly takes top prize for arrogance.

Jane10

Moaning on about it doesn't help at all. What practical action steps can we take? I suspect that trade will continue to happen as it always has because both sides need it to and expedited methods will develop. What will happen will be piecemeal development and interesting solutions will emerge. Optimism rather than pessimism is required and constant recriminations don't help.

Perhaps not- but why did people base their opinion on totally deluded optimism and why did they not listen to experts- everything that is happening now was warned about by people who knew.

If we are just going to be sheep- why not just give up our voting rights- and watch Johnson and ERG now strip our MPs from representing us, strip the Lords from their balancing opposition.

To say during the whole time experts were warning 'project fear, scare mongering, be quiet' - and now roll over and say 'ooops too late, ah never mind' - how is that going to help? Any attempt from Johnson to limit the Power of the two Houses- certainly have to be opposed with all our might.

Try to be optimistic is you have people in your very close family who require very specific treatment for severe conditions, life changing treatment, is not going to be easy. Ooops, sorry, never mind, hey.

Spend years doing nothing, and now saying, ah well, never mind- be optimistic is hardly to help.

I wonder what Ruth is thinking about it all. I can guess that she is not impressed by her party. And of course, the messier it gets, the stronger the case for Independence.

25Avalon

Why is one side so sure it is right and everyone else is wrong, racist and idiots? It must be great to have such certainty.

Because when asked, a lot of Brexit voters voted that way because they were anti immigration and voiced comments such as 'England is full up'.

I'm paying for my adult kids Irish passports Biba - all I can think to do really. I can't get one, but at least they can as they're half Irish.

GagaJo

My daughter bought 8 tubs of freeze dried milk today and has stocked up on pasta. I think it is is going to get quite scary for a while.

I don’t agree with panic buying so it’s a good job that I don’t like pasta and don’t drink milk!

I’m being lighthearted but seriously we should not be panic buying, some food items will be dearer or be in short supply but I think it will only be temporary. There are already delays in imported goods getting through UK ports for all sorts of reasons linked to the pandemic so it’s going to take a while to sort out even without Brexit.

Eh? Not assuming anything. Just quoting the statistics in response to someone else's post about education levels and the Brexit vote.

Can statistics be sneering?

Moaning on about it doesn't help at all. What practical action steps can we take? I suspect that trade will continue to happen as it always has because both sides need it to and expedited methods will develop. What will happen will be piecemeal development and interesting solutions will emerge. Optimism rather than pessimism is required and constant recriminations don't help.

Jane10

Does that change where we are Elegran?

Well, when experts warned about all this during the campaign, it was scare mongering- Then when they warned some more when Mrs May was got rid- experts warned about Johnson and that No Deal would be disastrous. And we were told to be quiet, not to scare people, to trust and wait and see ...

we have seen

project fear has become project reality on speed

Johnson is planning to get rid of the Influence of MPs, Parliament and the Lords - and we are supposed to sit like puddings- and wait. Oh, its too late- just have to accept it- just have to make the best of it. Even if it means that 100s of 1000s mor jobs will go, prices up, wages down, medicines short, people dying ...

and we are supposed to just sit on our hands and be quiet? Because it won't make any difference? Really. NO.

Sadly lemongrove the country will be moving on, and it will ultimately largely be the educated remainers who have the task of salvaging what’s left after this debacle.

By the way, the fact that we weren’t all on this site four years ago may indicate that we’re slightly younger and more likely to reap the consequences of a decision made by the ill informed - it certainly doesn’t mean that our needles have been stuck in the same groove for four years.

Yes it is sneering, Nezumi.

It is assuming that those who do not have a degree, a PhD etc are stupid and unable to think for themselves.

It is boringly old hat now.

Not sneering Petra. Just statistics that looked at the relationship between level of education and how people voted.

This isn't exactly chat is it
I ???

Why isn't it under News and Politics?

Why do people want to stay in the EU when they can't eradicate rabies?

merlotgran

^Sometimes things are just right or wrong and opinions don't come into it, and this is one of those things.^

In your opinion.

Well said merlot.

Unbelievable, just spat my tea ...

From The Times

''Brexiteers have long hailed the “sea of opportunity” that awaits British fishermen and women after the UK leaves the EU — but now it has emerged that their boats will be monitored by a French company.

The business that won the tender to track UK fishing vessels wherever they operate, as well as foreign-licensed boats in British waters, is *Collecte Localisation Satellites (CLS),
a French maritime surveillance provider.*

The contract was awarded by the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) in late summer having previously been held by a British firm.

Elegran

It didn't say any more than "29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh"

Do graduates never move out to the uncivilised wilds of the UK, then?

We seem to have a very high proportion here.

mokryna

Maybe not attacked but money is going to be wasted.

No, it could be a useful exercise.
They don't all sit in the docks waiting for something to happen even if the general public thinks they do!
???

It didn't say any more than "29 out of the 30 areas with the most graduates voted Remain”, including the City of London, Belfast South, Cambridge, Oxford and Edinburgh"