Rather pay than give in

I think you will realise from my user name that I am a fan of French cheese, although I am also partial to some British ones!I agree with the posters above though; this is not just about holding a cheese and wine party.

I am finding all of this 'willy waving', as one poster accurately describes the current situation, utterly depressing. Decades of peace and prosperity is to be the sacrifice for Boris the Clown to satisfy his boyhood ambition to be 'world king'. The man is an absolute disgrace and I feel ashamed that he is representing us in these talks and have zero confidence in his ability to do a deal. Even if he did, he would probably renege on it the next day.

The UK can produce its own food. Most people on this thread will be ok, but let there be no doubt that prices will rise significantly, and there will be hardship.

However, what makes me really angry is how the younger generation, who grew up as part of the EU and who wanted to stay, have had their rights stripped away by a bunch of jingoistic old people and Little Englanders. Our children will be curtailed in where they can go to study and there will be fewer European students coming here. There will also be a substantial effect on funding and sponsorship, as well as cultural exchanges.

And I know that I am very privileged to have a second home in France, and this is a first world problem, but it enrages me that I will only be allowed to stay there for a maximum of three months. I assume that things like receiving pensions abroad and reciprocal medical treatment may also be affected. I think that the full extent of the problems will only be apparent some months after Brexit.

I am generally an optimist so still cling to a shred of hope that disaster may yet be avoided, but then I remember who is in charge of negotiations.....

The election was not fraudulent Varian. Would you rather no choice in anything? I wish people were held to account quoting such nonsense, Trump reckons his election unfair too.

The Guardian is also frothing

Well quite. All this talk of guns is just to stoke up the divisive flag waving. It’s horrible.

We’ve hardly got any border force boats or Royal Navy anymore - they can’t control migrants in rubber boats coming across the channel so how they are going to patrol all around the coastline for fishing boats beats me. All this aggressive willy waving is so unnecessary - we lost the cod wars against Iceland fgs - in the end had to come to an ..umm.......errr............agreement.

Callistemon

Lucca out of all the leaders, EU and around the world, I would say she is one of the most sensible and steadiest.

I don’t feel qualified to comment that much on Angela Merkel But from what I’ve see yes I think you’re right. However what saddens me most is that that none of those on here who support Brexit (as is their right) felt able to join me in condemning the use of that phrase.

Dinahmo Fri 20:37
“There are people on here whose OHs worked on preventing the millenium bug. There may be some GNers too but I've only noticed references to partners. We have a friend who used to work for a Japanese bank in the City and he spent hours working on the bug too. As did thousands the world over. So of course it didn't happen.”

I find it so amusing when IT boffins claim credit for solving the millennium bug palaver.....it was them that created it in the first place!

Fancy being so clever inventing something so brilliant but not having the common sense to know that the year is set according to the birth of Jesus!

Nezumi65

Daily Mail is frothing again. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9044873/Royal-Navy-vessels-dispatched-guard-Britains-fishing-waters-No-Deal-Brexit.html Utter nonsense about sending in gunboats against one of our closest allies. Even this government isn’t that stupid. It’s just the Mail stirring up hatred again if you read the xenophobic outright racism spouted in the comments section you see exactly how Vote Leave was able to use populism to get what it wanted.

God help us - everyone should be calling out this utter nonsense. Calling this out along with the racist tosh in the comments underneath is not being anti British - it’s trying to save what was once good about this country.

The BBC said on the news last night that in the event of a no deal the Navy would patrol the UK waters to ensure there were no breaches

Daily Mail is frothing again. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9044873/Royal-Navy-vessels-dispatched-guard-Britains-fishing-waters-No-Deal-Brexit.html Utter nonsense about sending in gunboats against one of our closest allies. Even this government isn’t that stupid. It’s just the Mail stirring up hatred again if you read the xenophobic outright racism spouted in the comments section you see exactly how Vote Leave was able to use populism to get what it wanted.

God help us - everyone should be calling out this utter nonsense. Calling this out along with the racist tosh in the comments underneath is not being anti British - it’s trying to save what was once good about this country.

Yes it will be Irish cheddar.

PLEASE tell me we don’t import that from Europe?!

After cheddar cheese anything is possible.

Actually, I wondered if the small amount of Cheddar cheese we import from the EU is Irish Cheddar. We've always seen Irish Cheddar in our shops, so it's not at all odd when I think about it.

Lucca out of all the leaders, EU and around the world, I would say she is one of the most sensible and steadiest.

Tory vote share was 43% in 2019. That's not a large majority of voters.

Cheese on toast with Worcestershire sauce of course!

PLEASE tell me we don’t import that from Europe?!

After cheddar cheese anything is possible.

Ah I see the ridiculous ‘fraudulent referendum’ claim has reared up again.
As I have said before on threads, we actually voted three times to leave the EU.
First was of course the referendum.
Then Nigel Farage’s Brexit party did extraordinarily well despite having only been in existence a matter of weeks.
Then the general election last December, won by a large majority on Boris’s Get Brexit Done promise.

Callistemon

Yes, out of order, Lucca.

Thank you.

Replacing what we export to the EU? No. Japan accounts for under 2% of British exports. We exported £100,000 of blue cheese to Japan in 2018 (& £18 million globally). We also have a trade deficit with Japan.

Sure it's great news that we can. continue to trade with Japan in the way we have been but it's not going to save us.

For some reason, the Japanese love British chocolate ?
They must have very sweet ‘tooth’s/ teeth.
All this talk of cheese has made me want cheese on toast.....Wensleydale of course.

Nezumi65

I lived in Japan. I saw cheese once during my time there (not counting plastic burger cheese). It was in a tin. And revolting (I bought it I was so desperate for cheese).

So if we are relying on a Japanese cheese market to get us out of the hole in our exports we may have a problem.

When I was in Japan (a few years ago) people were very keen for absolutely any British products. And, second hand information, my Japanese exDil also agreed that it was all the thing.

You might be onto something there Nezumi65. The French will be more than happy to keep the majority of their wonderful wines and cheeses for themselves or within the EU. In that way they are very proud and discerning.
The British, however, are far more keen to flog their products anywhere and every where in the world , and this could end up compromising their quality.

I lived in Japan. I saw cheese once during my time there (not counting plastic burger cheese). It was in a tin. And revolting (I bought it I was so desperate for cheese).

So if we are relying on a Japanese cheese market to get us out of the hole in our exports we may have a problem.

Daisymae

A friend of mine travels widely in a campervan and she noticed a change last year. Several people of differing nationalities were very unpleasant to her. She said that in all her years travelling abroad this had never happened before and she was quite upset.

It could be because she was in a campervan. Each year there are more and more on the roads, often being a nuisance.

It’s fine we have the Tory elite to look out for us youtu.be/FX_DwE7nU6o

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biba70
but sadder for all the British artisans etc
Not a problem. Our artisan cheese makers are looking further afield now. Have you read the uk/Japanese trade deal? They love our cheeses.

3’s a good point biba - the last time there was a shortage of my son’s epilepsy meds (actually the only time in the 6 years he’s been on it) was due to Sterling talking a dive over Brexit.

I am sorry to hear about your friend’s business. I closed mine earlier this year - it was very small (services) but with a lot of trade abroad & just wasn’t worth the hassle of continuing. I took the opportunity to get out.