Rather pay than give in

But we'll manage!

Oh, I know there is little I can do about it, and decisions have been made, but it doesn't stop me being angry about it, especially when some still seem to be under the misapprehension that it is all being done for the best of the UK. Still eventually the penny will drop, eventually Johnson will be seen for the liar and charlatan that he is, probably too late though. This period in history will be a module on Modern History degree courses; Trumpism, Brexit, Johnson, corruption under cover of the covid19 crisis, Bolsanaro etc. Could be interesting to learn about, but considerably less interesting to live through.

I'm back to being concerned about my son's medication. Especially epilepsy medication because despite the wishful thinking of the idiots in charge, it cannot be safely brand swapped.

And meanwhile Johnson & backers will be cashing in bylinetimes.com/2019/09/11/brexit-disaster-capitalism-8-billion-bet-on-no-deal-crash-out-by-boris-johnsons-leave-backers/

I take comfort from (1) the knowledge that history will judge this the worst government ever and Johnson the worst PM and (2) my kids are half Irish so will be able to retain freedom of movement. Particularly important for one of them who is working in an industry where FoM is a necessity.

I'm stuffed passport wise, but couldn't go anywhere anyway.

I'm another one who is just of the getting on with it mindset.
Not happy about leaving, but resigned to the fact.

When I was teaching the EU was a compulsory topic in Primary Seven. There was so much more to it than just trade deals. It wasn't the easiest of topic to teach, but very interesting.
I always started the topic with this statement:
After two catastrophic world wars, the European leaders decided that the only way of preventing war in Europe was to start to cooperate.

If only that was the case nowadays.

Not in the firing line from me. I suppose I'm just in the 'well we're out so will just have to make the best of it camp.' No point going on and on about it. That won't change a thing and just works people up (no names no pack drill!).
We managed outwith the EU and we will again. The EU are having to be seen to be tough as several other countries are eyeing a way out. Poland being the latest I see.

This is a nasty bullying thread, and some of you need to have a good read back at what you have posted, it is like a pack of wolves circling a few posters and picking up and misinterpreting everything they post. At the risk of putting myself in the firing line; I think that this bloody brexit business and our lying incompetent of a PM has made such behaviour suddenly acceptable. What a country this has become. Shameful.

I agree Lucca. But then again as a remainer half german I probably would

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boodymum67
I just wish we could go back to feet and inches and pounds and ounces...never got to grips with cms and kilos.

No, we won't.
Although distances are still in miles.

Luckylegs

I hope you make sure you remember the rule about not personally attacking other members then, MawB.

That really takes the biscuit!

People in glass houses etc.

boodymum67

I just wish we could go back to feet and inches and pounds and ounces...never got to grips with cms and kilos.

I get that we struggle a bit with metric etc but I wouldn’t wish feet inches etc on today’s children !

That was uncalled for Luckylegs. MawBe certainly isn’t the poster you should be accusing of sneering and put downs.

Luckylegs, Could you please supply some evidence of Mawbes' sneering.

I for one enjoy her well informed and interesting posts. I don't see any name calling nor sneering. However......

I just wish we could go back to feet and inches and pounds and ounces...never got to grips with cms and kilos.

What do they think we did BEFORE we joined it? We still visited other countries- we still traded with them! We didn't give them hefty amounts of cash just for the privilege!

Maybe we shouldnt have jumped so readily into it in first place- it was 'the common market' then- was that the conservatives too?!

MawBe sneering? As if.

Fake news!

I hope you make sure you remember the rule about not personally attacking other members then, MawB.

All I have to say about MawBe's posts is: I love them ?

I dont think it is MawB who is sneering as you put it, Luckylegs.

It seems that we in the UK are being sneered at, called names and lectured about our misdeeds.

Even those who voted to remain, do not live in England, have been accused and called names.

Enough is enough.

Luckylegs

Would it be at all possible for Mawb to comment about ANYTHING without sneering and putting people down? It’s very wearying to read on so many threads.

Woukd you like to point me towards these many threads ,Luckylegs ?
If it makes you feel better to take a pot at me, because you are having a bad day , feel free, but I thought we weren’t meant to personally attack other members.

Read the whole thread, Luckylegs

No sneering by MawBe just stating the obvious it is Biba70 who constantly tells that she knows what the whole of the EU and expats think, dismissing all other posters who have equal knowledge.

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biba70

MawBe

growstuff

I objected to the smearing of two Labour politicians by association with another, who had been arrested (not charged) with serious offences. I was told that the poster knows more than I do because she's from the area, whereas her current knowledge is no more than second-hand.

Those are the facts. Carry on disputing, if you like, but I'm not interested.

Oh dear, pots and kettles.
Your own knowledge was also secondhand.
Deuce.

I do not love in a holiday or retirement expat colony- I speak the language, and I read the Press and watch local TV.

I can assure you that the mood has changed, massively. Breaking the Law to renege on the Withdrawal Agreement was the last straw- when people realised Johnson and ERG had no intention of negotiating honestly.

It is not about 'knowing best' - but about the facts.

It is clear now that Johnson promised a No Deal to his bakers and the ERG before he was elected. Also clear now that he behaved abominably with Mrs Von der Leihen and colleagues on their last meeting- coming in all guns blazing and making very derogatory comments about the French and Barnier.

No Deal was always the plan for the ERG and Tory backers- because of the European Tax Directive. Making lots of noise about fish is just nonsense. And the recent 'the overn ready Deal' was about the WA - is nonsense, and so is the smoke screen for No Deal, by calling it Australian styles, again pure sonsense.

I think you quoted the wrong post! It referred to growstuff/Andy Burnham/Urmstongran
However....
What evidence do you have that eg GrandmaFrench after 20 I think years in France lives (or loves ! ) in a retirement or an ^ex-Pat colony is not entirely fluent in French and conversant with the contents of the local and National papers? Presumptuous or what?
The President of the European Commission is in fact Frau Ursula von der Leyen - I would have expected with your intimate knowledge of all things EU , that you would get her name right.
Don’t you see that nobody is contradicting your personal opinion, if only you would recognise it as such and not attempt to lecture or preach to the rest of GN as if you were the sole fount of all wisdom?