Rather pay than give in

In mitigation, it was not me who mentioned hysteria in the first instance.

It is a discriminatory description.

Trying to contribute, is just a waste of time. I too thought it is all becoming a bit hysterical.
Even if you post something which you think makes sense and is accurate, it's disregarded!

Thanks Elegran

I've heard the term used on GN but never been interested enough to find out until now.

I think the hysteria is spreading, all this nonsense about travel insurance....we have always had to get detailed travel insurance, especially getting older, with ongoing medical problems.Not that many of us will be doing much globe trotting until Covid is under control.
I do wish posters would stop making up problems and lashing out because they are so angry about leaving the EU.
Things won’t be the same, deal or no deal but to spread nonsense about travel ( never go anywhere again! Aged parents never seeing family! Travel insurance too expensive! Etc etc) is simply ridiculous.

All together now ^D'ya wannabe in my gang my gang my gang' ??????

Gaslighting = Telling people they are nuts so as to make them really go round the bend. In a film "Gaslight" 1944. Charles Boyer is plotting to make Ingrid Bergman seem mad by tricking her - footsteps in a sealed-off attic and so on, to conceal a past crime of his which she is starting to suspect. Trailer at www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyEtKpplmjQ

And in my defence, what is the accusation of not reading posts all about?

That was aimed at me, I should rtft.

I missed your post MawBe, apologies.

???
When I mentioned hysteria on another thread I was told it's gas lighting.
I have no idea what that is?

Fanny by Gaslight?


I think we have an infiltration from MN who speak a different language.

I prided myself on keeping up with my DC but I' m getting lost with the terminology on GN nowadays

petra

That went well, didn't it ?

Indeed it did!

I’’m lost too

How was my comment “sarcastic” - “grin” is what it says not “sarcastic leer”

Because I spoke of my experience in the past doesn’t indicate a “lack of empathy” with anybody now or in the future. Surely I can have an opinion.
Somebody is presuming too much .
As I said, mountains, molehills, whipped up hysteria, not to mention a good bit of pearl -clutching.
I don’t have a “gang” and if I endorse a post by ?? ??, so what?
And in my defence, what is the accusation of not reading posts all about?
Sigh, giving up now.

I didn't think that MawBe was involved

Semantics

why did you 'think' instead of reading posts- that would help, perhaps, no?
I did say I may be wrong

Déjà vu and it's getting tedious.
However, I am more resilient now.

Pot, kettle, black, biba

He jokes about being frivolous with our inheritance

Pantglas I do that too but the DC say - we'd rather see you than have an inheritance!

We call it SKIING.

Callistemon

Well, I'm

I am not MawBe and she is not me.
I didn't think that MawBe was involved in the conservation re travel insurance (vital imo), biba, but I may be wrong.

But I am becoming rather lost too

why did you 'think' instead of reading posts- that would help, perhaps, no?

petra

That went well, didn't it ?

petra
???

Conversation

Autocorrect again

Well, I'm

I am not MawBe and she is not me.
I didn't think that MawBe was involved in the conservation re travel insurance (vital imo), biba, but I may be wrong.

But I am becoming rather lost too

That went well, didn't it ?

I am fully aware of this- that you know how difficult it was.

The point is, that in future, with No Deal and loss of EHIC, it is going to be much much more difficult- and often, impossible. Hence the comment about lack of empathy- for those who, in future, will be 'locked in away from families' in the future.

You sarcasstically said everyone should be fully aware of emoticons here- and I replied that I am, but can't reproduce- as I have a foreing keyboard (oh dear...) and no square brackets. And my interpretation that a sarcastic face, after a sarcastic comment, even with a grin and Xmas hat - is - not nice, and not meant to be.

Your constant personal attacks, back by your your fan club and your clap clap clap- are not nice either.

But this is not about me, or you, for that matter. So logging off for tonight.

Having lived with the health/travel insurance issue more than most for 20+ years, empathy might just feature on my list .

You can risk it all you want- but you clearly don't read people's posts. And you can be familiar with something, and yet unable to reproduce, as explained

I have not the faintest idea what you are talking about.
But to recap = “grin” not “nasty face”
I also fail to see what I am familiar with, yet unable to reproduce
(= “confused”, not another “nasty face”)
I am more than familiar with the exigencies of travel insurance for those with a medical “history” and maintain that if older parents are unable to travel to their AC because of health issues, it would not be unreasonable to hope that the AC woukd see that and do the travelling instead.
Molehill, mountain.

MawBe

Sorry I meant to explain, but the list of emojis shoukd be familiar to anyone. I don’t think we have one for [nasty face]
That was grin to indicate a degree of levity .
But you can’t deny it is one of the Donald’s favourite phrases!
Dare I risk it again -

You can risk it all you want- but you clearly don't read people's posts. And you can be familiar with something, and yet unable to reproduce, as explained.

Sarcasm and indeed be very nasty.

So is total lack of empathy.

How truly nasty and totally insensitive. So if someone suffered any heart or kidney condition in the past, any form of cancer, etc- should be condemened to never visit their family who have moved to EU- even a short flight or drive away- through no fault of their own.

Trump ? Maw and a nasty face - thought better of you really.

Oh dear - that was what I meant to quote - so my previous comments apply to that.
As for being “condemned” to not visiting family because of health issues - well, shit happens.
Tell me about it! If one can’t go to the family, the family have to come to one as it were.

Even if you got expensive treatment with the EHIC, it doesn't cover thins like repatriation, accommodation for extended stays if you can't travel home, accommodation for any family members staying with you, costs for rescheduling flights, etc, etc. Travelling without adequate insurance is definitely foolhardy.
I have diabetes, high blood pressure if not controlled with medication, extensive nerve and joint problems, etc, etc. My bank will cover any of that as long as I haven't had to have emergency treatment in the past 12 months. My Mum has similar problems and she always used the Post Office for insurance as they would cover everything but if you had a claim, you would have to pay a much larger excess. That seemed a very reasonable way of doing things.
On Brexit, it seems that without a deal, the French will lose out on the fishing so it is in their interests to compromise. With the level playing field, I don't understand how anyone would want to sign up to something which one side could change without a buy your leave. Even when you buy a house, car, etc, you wouldn't do this. However, I should have thought it would be fairly simple to come up with an agreement where we keep the terms we have but any new ones that we don't wish to adhere to would just mean we weren't able to export the goods which it affected. As we usually state subsidise less, normally have better conditions than other countries, it is unlikely to be a huge problem but will protect both sides from imbalancing the level playing field. Historically, we did have the power of veto in certain areas, this would be similar. As a leaver, I feel that would give this country a choice but we wouldn't expect the EU to compromise future trade on their terms.
Regulation is a little bit more difficult but I am sure there must be somebody a little more creative in thought than I to find a solution.
We are all pretty much graduates or post graduates in our family where we voted to leave. The main ones who voted Remain couldn't have debated the Pros or Cons out of a paper bag. That said, I also have members of my family who haven't a qualification because as youngsters they weren't interested in academia but are far more knowledgeable about the ins and outs of economics, the EU, etc. Qualifications are achievable for those who can perform on the day but the statistics don't take into account those are intelligent and informed but suffer from exam anxiety or brain fog when stressed.