Illegal migrants’ amnesty vaccine.

AmberSpyglass loathsome parasites is your description of some UK citizens, please remember your own posts?????

GrannyGravy13

Urmstongran I agree, your OP was just stating a new Government initiative.

Without most of the facts - but quelle surprise.

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AmberSpyglass

JenniferEccles Yes. Because it’s racist. Frankly ‘illegal immigrants’ isn’t much better, but ‘illegals’ is downright disgusting.

Can we please, PLEASE get this thread pulled GNHQ?

Ah I’m sure you’ll get your wish soon.

Instead, why not debate rationally, no name calling and take the subject forward. Seriously.

Urmstongran I agree, your OP was just stating a new Government initiative.

Remembering what happened fairly recently with the Windrush immigrants, who were all here by the then governments invitation and all quite legal - and they were being deported. Do not see how anyone here without correct documentation is expected to believe that this idea of signing up for the vaccine is not going to be used against them within the not too distant future.

Anyway, as has been said, many of those are way below the age groups of being entitled to get vaccinated. Just a back door way of the government trying to get information and start deportations. As, for many of them, being returned to their places of birth could well be a death sentence, think they will probably feel that covid is the lesser of the two evils.

Whitewavemark2

This thread allows those who are so good at dog whistle racism a free reign.

It needs withdrawing.

Oh here we go ...
Why?

Let’s just brush an important topic under the carpet eh?

I have been respectful, I have not once used the shorthand version ‘illegals’ and yet, here we go again. It’s totally dispiriting not to be able to have a debate on an important subject without someone calling out ‘ban it’.

LauraNorder

As the vast majority of undocumented people are likely to be between the ages of 16 and 40, I don’t see the point of offering the vaccine now other than to get them documented, hence they will be suspicious and unlikely to come forward.
Perhaps in summer when we are moving towards vaccinating younger age groups some may come forward.
The difficulty with two doses is that identity will be important to avoid inadequate or over dosing of people without documentation.

The information provided by the govt was that people without documented status should sign up with a GP. If and when they did this ( which obviously begs lots of questions) they would be called up for a vaccine in the priority order that applies to everyone. The govt said no action would be taken against them. So they are not being offered the vaccine now, they are being encouraged to sign up with a GP and then be treated clinically like everyone else. If any do sign up, their vaccine will be recorded on their medical records like anyone else.

Who'd have thought that a vaccination programme would cause so much of a hoo-ha ?

There has been talk of an amnesty in the past LauraNorder. It would suprise me if this government suggested it but as they are being pushed (sensibly in my opinion) into more social democratic policies perhaps it will come up. It is the most logical thing if you want to get hold of the actual law breakers.

I heard the news yesterday about undocumented/illegal immigrants called to sign up and get a Covid vaccine. That sounds suspicious to me and many will not come forward.
There are older people that have been illegal in U.K. for years
and even though the government say no one will say anything
that is unbelievable, who knows where their data will end up.
Their thoughts will be "look out for the deport immigration transport."

Won't " these people " have to be registered with a GP before vaccination takes place ?

Spot on LauraNorder, it's the timing that's illogical and suspicious!

As the vast majority of undocumented people are likely to be between the ages of 16 and 40, I don’t see the point of offering the vaccine now other than to get them documented, hence they will be suspicious and unlikely to come forward.
Perhaps in summer when we are moving towards vaccinating younger age groups some may come forward.
The difficulty with two doses is that identity will be important to avoid inadequate or over dosing of people without documentation.

EllanVannin

You've stumped them JenniferEccles

Has she? Just work on logic and accuracy and you can usually find a solution.

EllanVannin

You've stumped them JenniferEccles

ermmm.... did you see my post, which I reposted for those who didn't see it?

Not feeling particularly stumped, EV

Journalists have to make things short but noticeably don't, call people who speed "illegal drivers," or those who fall behind on their taxes "illegal filers." The only group this word is used for in this way are those looking for either liberty or prosperity, or both. They have often only committed a civil offence not a criminal one so are no more "illegal" than you or I.

Probably the most accurate description is "undocumented". However, many newspapers continue to use "illegal immigrant" but many also have policies never to use illegal or illegals as a noun.

You've stumped them JenniferEccles

JenniferEccles

So please say what IS an acceptable expression to describe people who have arrived here by various means and who are now living here under the radar, completely unknown to the authorities?

We have had a system in place for years for those who wish to come here legally to work, pay taxes and generally contribute to the economy.

We are not talking on here about those people.

Alegrias1 Tue 09-Feb-21 12:33:33
People living in the UK illegally UG

Don't be disingenuous and don't try to be cute, as my granny would say.

There is a whole world of difference between my vocal disapproval and social shunning of people I know who refuse the vaccine - and my attitude towards immigrants who aren't vaccinated.

My friends are fortunate and have nothing to fear as they're already in the system.

Of course, illegal immigrants are unfortunate (in our society) very wary of being identified, detained or deported. They don't use the NHS, they generally remain anonymous, unidentified - in the shadows.

They are suspicious, even of 'amnesty' vaccination arrangements. So am I. Why? It's just illogical.

There are currently no plans to give the vaccine to younger adults and children. Therefore, a large proportion of the population will remain potential vectors/transmitters of the virus.

Why, then, the current focus on migrants?

With free speech comes great responsibility

The OP was reporting a Government Amnesty in order to vaccinate a large number of the population. The Amnesty could bring about more tax revenue for HMRC if these folks went on to work legally

So please say what IS an acceptable expression to describe people who have arrived here by various means and who are now living here under the radar, completely unknown to the authorities?

We have had a system in place for years for those who wish to come here legally to work, pay taxes and generally contribute to the economy.

We are not talking on here about those people.

I too have a blood clotting disorder--hence the warfarin, so why just cast your aspersions towards me Riverwalk ?

GG13 ?

BTW, I'm all for economic migrants, at least my D had her longed for bathroom done as British didn't want to know !
They couldn't work in convulsions in this friendless society.

Am I racist for being anti-British, I wonder ?