Illegal migrants’ amnesty vaccine.

Well said GG13 I don’t think any of us can really add to those sentiments.

Thank you everyone for contributing to this thread. It’s been interesting, informative and thankfully didn’t get deleted! (even though I got a -deserved - warning from GNHQ).

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Back to topic, let’s hope all people living in the UK get vaccinated when they should. If that means using outreach programmes, then let’s get on with it.

Covid-19 and it’s many variants knows no
boundaries.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is insufferable. I always remember this

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41264965

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ

I wonder if one very easy way to help the economy would be to cut out some of the govenment instigated ways of avoiding tax. Simplifying the system has to be done at some point surely.

It’s complicated, every day people invest in ISAs so as not to pay tax on interest gained.

Expenses claimed, what’s a reasonable amount for board and food when working away? Those who work abroad and judge the days they can spend at home in the UK without having to pay UK taxes.

It would take a very brave Government to address and overhaul the tax system.

Peanuts again. Compare someone’s ISA to say just a minor wealthy person like Rees Mogg who has off shored his many millions thus ensuring that the benefit he receives from living in this country, from the rule of law, security etc is not supported by the tax he would pay if he hadn’t off shored it.

I consider that immoral, particularly when he feels entitled to preach to those of us who pay and have paid every single penny due to the revenue from whatever source.

People like Rees Mogg have no moral or actual stake in this country, when ensuring that it isn’t supported by their due tax.

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ

I wonder if one very easy way to help the economy would be to cut out some of the govenment instigated ways of avoiding tax. Simplifying the system has to be done at some point surely.

It’s complicated, every day people invest in ISAs so as not to pay tax on interest gained.

Expenses claimed, what’s a reasonable amount for board and food when working away? Those who work abroad and judge the days they can spend at home in the UK without having to pay UK taxes.

It would take a very brave Government to address and overhaul the tax system.

Sorry GrannyGravy, I'm giving up. We were probably going off topic anyway so perhaps a thread about our gargantuan tax code - at more than ten million words it is the world’s longest - another day.

I’m glad I don’t do Twitter.
I hear it’s absolutely brutal. I wouldn’t last 5 minutes!!

Regards the OP.
The more I think about this topic the more I don’t think there will ever be a solution. I do hope a way of offering anonymity for vaccines is found though.

I still wonder - would one jab be ‘good enough’? i.e. no follow up, no covert tracing and better than no vaccine at all?

I didn't even know there was a PM facility

It costs nothing to be kind, does it? I think we all know that people who are desperate, work for low wages. It's a bit of a shame it has been ignorantly turned into 'they avoid tax' - think of all that lost tax. If they are low earners, they wouldn't necessarily be paying it anyway

I sometimes don't feel lucky to be born in the UK but that is soon brought into perspective when I see how little other people have.

suziewoozie

Urm your apology hasn’t saved me from accusations by you and Fire. that I was involved in pms flying around. Instead of apologising you might have checked your facts first before calling me out and encouraging at least one other to pile in with you. I know I’m not one of the incrowd and will never get the support you do but I don’t lie, use racist language even unthinkingly, plot vis PMs or post misleading/ inaccurate information. Well I know exactly where I stand and now I await the pile on for not accepting your apology graciously when if you’d just checked your facts, you’d have saved a lot of grief.

sw I know I hurt your feelings.
It’s really not a popularity contest or shouldn’t be!

You are a feisty opponent & give me a good run for my money. I admire your forensic style of posting - it’s superior to mine for sure!

Can’t we just put the spat behind us? I am genuinely sorry.
I don’t know what else to say really.

.... Oh bog off then.

Joke. Joke!
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Not related to you in any way Growstuff, just making it clear that the only pm I have received is a not very nice one from Susiewoozie who apparently objects to pms fling about.
Back to subject, no one else involved.

Oh dear! I hope my last post won't be deleted because it made reference to a post which was deleted because it made reference to a deleted post.

And I haven't sent any PMs or (as far as I know) been sent any.

LauraNorder

*Suziewoozie*. If you are referring to me as the other who piled in. I merely pointed out that Urms is usually a polite and nice poster . I stand by that. I probably exacerbated the situation and should have kept shtum. I apologise to you and to Urms for not minding my own business.
I did not send or receive any personal message to or from Urms or anyone else connected to this thread.
However I have just received your unnecessary, unkind and heated personal message to me. Totally uncalled for.
Please do not contact me personally again.

I didn't pile into anything, but I did have a post deleted because it made reference to a deleted post, which I found offensive, but didn't report. I know very well what the deleted post said.

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ

I wonder if one very easy way to help the economy would be to cut out some of the govenment instigated ways of avoiding tax. Simplifying the system has to be done at some point surely.

It’s complicated, every day people invest in ISAs so as not to pay tax on interest gained.

Expenses claimed, what’s a reasonable amount for board and food when working away? Those who work abroad and judge the days they can spend at home in the UK without having to pay UK taxes.

It would take a very brave Government to address and overhaul the tax system.

Do you know how much interest ISAs pay?

The no-interest element was a sweetener to get people to invest.

Suziewoozie. If you are referring to me as the other who piled in. I merely pointed out that Urms is usually a polite and nice poster . I stand by that. I probably exacerbated the situation and should have kept shtum. I apologise to you and to Urms for not minding my own business.
I did not send or receive any personal message to or from Urms or anyone else connected to this thread.
However I have just received your unnecessary, unkind and heated personal message to me. Totally uncalled for.
Please do not contact me personally again.

PippaZ

I wonder if one very easy way to help the economy would be to cut out some of the govenment instigated ways of avoiding tax. Simplifying the system has to be done at some point surely.

It’s complicated, every day people invest in ISAs so as not to pay tax on interest gained.

Expenses claimed, what’s a reasonable amount for board and food when working away? Those who work abroad and judge the days they can spend at home in the UK without having to pay UK taxes.

It would take a very brave Government to address and overhaul the tax system.

I wonder if one very easy way to help the economy would be to cut out some of the govenment instigated ways of avoiding tax. Simplifying the system has to be done at some point surely.

Urm your apology hasn’t saved me from accusations by you and Fire. that I was involved in pms flying around. Instead of apologising you might have checked your facts first before calling me out and encouraging at least one other to pile in with you. I know I’m not one of the incrowd and will never get the support you do but I don’t lie, use racist language even unthinkingly, plot vis PMs or post misleading/ inaccurate information. Well I know exactly where I stand and now I await the pile on for not accepting your apology graciously when if you’d just checked your facts, you’d have saved a lot of grief.

Yes, WWM, much nicer conversation without racism creeping in.

I am afraid that I think that although one maybe illegal and one immoral, one is much more wrong than the other. The difference between a impoverished mother, trying to earn a little extra cash to feed children and a multimillionaire, avoiding paying into a system by paying his share of taxes, while draining hundreds of thousands out in bungs from his government mates is monumental.

I am not a Christian, but if I were, I am pretty sure I would be very clear which side God would be on. The widow and her mite, etc.

That was very much my thinking GrannyGravy.

I wonder how many people would be involved and just who they are. The first phase only includes people over 50, a few with serious health conditions and those working as carers. How many people belong to those groups? My guess is that only local people working with those groups would know who they are.

PippaZ people who run outreach programmes will in all probability know who/where the vulnerable are, if they were to have a trained vaccinator with them on occasions it could work.

Isn’t it good that the conversation has lost its racist undertones?

The taxes on goods and services tend to be the least progressive so, on a very low income, you can be paying a higher pecentage overall than someone who is very rich.

As for ensuring everyone that can be and wants to be is vacinated, there are still the wonderful people who run soup kitchens and go out to look out for those living rough (we should have continued the everybody in scheme but that's another thread). If vacination was offered along side them, to anyone who wanted it, you would probably pick quite a lot of extra people who are vulnerable. Some of them might well have fallen through the system.

GrannyGravy13

Whitewavemark2

Peanuts compared to the tax avoidance and evasion being carried out by big business and wealthy individuals.

Tax Avoidance and Tax Evasion are two different things............one is illegal the other immoral.

All tax avoidance is wrong, whoever is doing the avoiding.

I think that the level of the immorality is something else.

Most of those who you call part of the grey economy, will be carrying out unskilled low paid work, whose income will be almost entirely spent in the wider economy. They will use every penny to live and survive.

The tax avoiders and evaders of the wealthy classes will put all their wealth off shore and use it to contribute very little if anything to the economy.

Strictly both types of illegality is criminal activity, but one of borne out of survival the other out of pure greed.

I doubt if many will take up the offer because their name and address will have to be registered to ensure notification of a second dose.

If I were undocumented and unregistered, I would be very wary of any amnesty offered. Not so long ago, one of the charities for the homeless reported unregistered immigrants to the Home Office.