Royalty the queen and her family.

Cronyism in Britain is rampant and goes unpunished. We're turning into a banana republic
Polly Toynbee

If we had a proper HoS He or She would have stepped in if the government were acting criminally as this government is doing Proper Checks and balances. Queen can only ever do what her PM asks her to do.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/22/cronyism-britain-rampant-banana-republic-covid-contracts-government?fbclid=IwAR3mTYNaopxye_9BRQ9lFz1CbW9MNz4b8G3huf-mESWcKolsH9eaiAs5JzM

The sums are so vast, the secrecy so shocking, that “chumocracy” doesn’t begin to capture what Britain has become – redolent as we are of banana republics, the Russian oligarchy and failed states. Lost is Britain’s self-image as the bowler-hatted beacon of civic rectitude, as our erstwhile Rolls-Royce civil service goes the way of, well, Rolls-Royce, no longer a British-owned car company.

Henry VIII did indeed declare himself head of the church in england.
that was objected to by the more puritan divines when Elizabeth came to the throne, who pointed out that christ is the only head of the church.
also there was some objection due to the queen being female...
so the title supreme governor was settled on as being clear and unobjectionable.
the title of defender of the faith was given by the pope to henry 8, as he was a stalwart opponent of reformers' ideas.
he kept the title, and so do all his successors, when he usurped the authority of the pope within his realm.
it is a complicated issue.
the media frequently describe the queen as head of the church.
as if nothing happened after the henrician reign.
which is why so many people believe it to be so.

Blossoming that's the RFs future up the Swanee then. Never underestimate the enemy within eh?

Alegrias There's always Mary Poppins, but I suspect the constant singing might become a burden...

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/may/13/prince-charles-black-spider-memos-lobbying-ministers-tony-blair

www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1234449/Prince-Charles-news-climate-change-Royal-Family-Meghan-Markle-Prince-Harry-latest

Smileless2012, Trump and Putin were mentioned as reasons why a having a President might be a bad idea. So I mentioned Mary Robinson because I think she is a good example of what a president could be.

Sadly, as welbeck points out, she has failed the "has to be perfect in every way" test so I guess we can't have her either.

I read too much about the Tudors and Elizabeth 1st Nell; just a little bit obsessed with my favourite period in history.

No worries Anniebach

I have no problem being corrected when I'm wrong.

Smiles, I think that may be where I got it from and the term has lingered.

Yes that's right Annie she's 'Defender of the Faith and Supreme Governor of the C of E' the titles given to Henry V111 when he broke away from the Church in Rome.

I always have it in my mind that prior to the official title, he declared himself to be head of the church in England.

Sorry NellG

The Queen’s title is supreme governor, Christ is the head of the Anglican Church

welbeck

the Queen is supreme governor of the church of england.
she is not an ordained minister.
nor is she its head. the head of the church is christ.

Sorry if I got this wrong - I don't follow a faith and am not au fait with the correct terminology. I have heard her described as the head of the CofE, my apologies if that's not correct.

Smiles Yes, very relieved!

Wouldn't it be fabulous to have the opportunity to sit down with her and ask such questions? Woman to woman.

the Queen is supreme governor of the church of england.
she is not an ordained minister.
nor is she its head. the head of the church is christ.

Was that his vaccination Nell? He'll be relieved I'm sure to have got that done. I wouldn't be at all surprised if "her Maj" does agree, she's certainly never 'preached' to us has she.

What does the ex President of Ireland or any president of any country have to do with this thread Alegrias? There's no comparison between our monarch and a president.

Alegrias1

How about Mary Robinson, ex-President of Ireland? I like her. Posh wavy lady and elected.

and so easily duped into giving credibility to the happy home life of the al maktoums... as she herself now admits.

Alegrias Ashamed to say I have never heard of her, but will look her up.

Smiles typed out a brilliant reply to your post earlier re head of church etc. Then the site went down and I lost the post, had to take OH for his jab and by the time I got back my stellar response had disintegrated in my brain! ? Sorry. But basically, yeah, I agree but would love to know if her Maj does.

How about Mary Robinson, ex-President of Ireland? I like her. Posh wavy lady and elected.

I knew, as soon as I pressed "Post"......

Hadn't we already established that the monarch is not in charge any more?

Would definitely rather have her Maj than Putin, Trump etc. Posh, wavy old lady vs bonkers megalomaniac? No brainer.

Who has "an unelected aristocrat in charge" Alegrias?

I didn’t vote for Boris, I do not support a presidency , another
election more lies, politics, no thanks

I didn't vote for Boris.

Are you suggesting Annie that having an unelected aristocrat in charge is better than democracy?