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A feminism discussion thread - should all women's life choices be 'supported'?

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janeainsworth Tue 02-Mar-21 17:51:41

An interesting question Doodledog.
It seems to me that there's a spectrum of actions ranging from things that any moral person would condemn outright (child abuse or murder), through things that we personally might not do ourselves but wouldn't condemn or judge others for doing (eg adopting a vegan diet), to things that we wouldn't have qualms anyway about doing ourselves.

I'm not sure that feminism comes into it really - if 'support' simply means not condemning or judging other people, then that should apply to men's choices as well as women's.

So I think what I'm saying is that we shouldn't condone something because it's a woman's choice, if we wouldn't have condoned it if it had been a man's choice.

Smileless2012 Tue 02-Mar-21 17:42:59

I also think that some are too quick to class others as second class feminists if they don't support everything their 'sisters' choose to do sodapop.

sodapop Tue 02-Mar-21 17:40:39

Smileless2012

For me feminism is and always has been as in your OP Doddedog "fighting to ensure ensure that women have the same chances as men, and are not discriminated against as a sex".

Like AGAA I wouldn't support something a woman chooses to do that I personally disapprove of, so no I don't think or see how everything that women do can be or expect to be supported by all women.

I agree with your last paragraph Smileless of course I wouldn't support any action I disagreed with just because it was done by a woman. I do think we are too quick sometimes to disapprove of a lifestyle choice just because it doesn't fit with some feminist ideal.

Smileless2012 Tue 02-Mar-21 17:17:12

For me feminism is and always has been as in your OP Doddedog "fighting to ensure ensure that women have the same chances as men, and are not discriminated against as a sex".

Like AGAA I wouldn't support something a woman chooses to do that I personally disapprove of, so no I don't think or see how everything that women do can be or expect to be supported by all women.

EllanVannin Tue 02-Mar-21 17:08:25

What happened to standing on your own two feet ? I've been independent of both men and women in my life. This way, any mistakes made I only have myself to blame thus saving on unpleasantness throughout life.

Galaxy Tue 02-Mar-21 17:05:38

I dont feel the need to support all womens choices, I think however it's quite important to understand the system within which womens choices are made. I dont agree for example with many of Thatchers choices, I would however fight for her rights as a woman.
I think feminism is for all women not just the ones we agree with. Not sure if I have answered your question there.

Elegran Tue 02-Mar-21 17:03:31

If a woman's life choice is to steal and cheat, use violence and abuse the weak, then there is no reason why I should support her in it just because she is female. If she has chosen an occupation or lifestyle which would not suit me, but which is harming no-one, that is her business.

paddyanne Tue 02-Mar-21 17:03:02

EASY answer is no ,peoples choices are theirs to make but I dont need to either support or condemn them.Sometimes I do find them difficult to understand that doesn't mean they're wrong...just wrong for me .In the case of something I dont agree with I'd probably just ignore it...in the case of a friend having an affair I did even though I believed it was the wrong thing to do.It didn't affect my life and I had no idea what would happen in hers if I interfered .

AGAA4 Tue 02-Mar-21 16:58:19

Feminism has many facets and means different things to different people.
I wouldn't support an action that I don't approve of by any woman. That is not my own personal idea of feminism.

Doodledog Tue 02-Mar-21 16:41:37

This is not a thread about a thread. It has arisen from a comment on another thread, but it would be insensitive to continue talking about this point on that thread because it is tangential to its topic, so I'm starting a new one.

Do you think that women should always support the life choices of other women - end of?'

Is this what feminism means to you, or do you see it as more about fighting to ensure that women have the same chances as men, and are not discriminated against as a sex? Or something else altogether? smile

I don't feel obliged to support the life choices of other women - in fact, I'm not even sure what 'support' means in this context. I can disapprove of things that some women do, and not feel that I am somehow betraying a 'sisterhood' by doing so.

I don't see being a feminist as similar to being a Methodist, or a member of a political party. In those cases, you know what the 'rules' are, and if you want to belong, you adhere to them, or yes, you are letting the side down. I am not aware of a set of 'rules of feminism', and get a bit irritated by people pigeon-holing feminists into 'waves' or 'stages', which are academic constructs designed to make it easier to refer to large groups of people in essays or lectures. Real people, IMO, don't behave like that - sometimes we agree with a lot of others, and at others we disagree with the same others on a different topic.

So, should everything done by women (or a woman) be 'supported'? And what form should that 'support' take, particularly if you don't approve of the action in the first place?