"Tradition is just peer pressure by dead people" ?

GrannyGravy13

PippaZ traditions are ethnic passed down from generation to generation, whether they be white male traditions or any other traditions in any Country/Race/Religion throughout the wide World.

It is just blatantly wrong to say that the majority of traditions emanate from white males.

I for one think tradition on the whole is a good thing, especially family traditions it brings about family unity and keeps our dead loved ones alive in our hearts and minds.

FGM is a different matter all together as is circumcision.

Where do you get these arguments from GrannyGravy13. Some traditions are ethnic, but not all are specifically so. However, I hadn't mentioned ethnicity when you replied to me. You replied as if I had. Weird.

You have, as I said, twisted what I said and twisted it so it suits your personal which is almost Trumpian in the level of duplicity it brings in. All I can say is back off and don't twist what I said - or rather didn't say.

Even if you use Luton as an example (which is always popular with racists) the demography is 54% White, 30% Asian or Asian British - 14% of those from Pakistani heritage

*I would disagree totally with that and say most certainly
that the white race is greatly out numbered now by the
Pakistani race and in every town /city across Britain the
contingency of Pakistani/culture is no longer a minority
and although people say they are the minority they are not*

Now this I can comment on quite clearly.

You're wrong.

Approximately 86% of our population is white

Then we’d have to be deleted too Maizie and people might think we were deleted because we agreed with her?

GrannyGravy13

Callistemon I understand what you are saying.

Are we to include hanging, or any form of execution practised nowadays (I am against corporal punishment) as a form of tradition ?

Thinking this way makes the line very blurry.

We have to distinguish between what traditions are worth keeping and what should be abandoned but not forgotten in case we make the same mistakes again.

A lot of my grandparents traditions don’t work for my family.

However my father insisted on having them.

He felt it was disrespectful to stop them.

I can understand how the quote makes sense for lots of families.

Each family generation should get to make their own traditions without push back from the one before

FarNorth

My explanation was as clear as mud!

The children born into my husband's family would take the surname of the maiden names of the mothers.

So I married John Smith, his mother's maiden name was Jones.

So I would have had John Jones Smith.

Something like the Spanish do which I think is rather a nice idea actually. The Spanish tend to have 2 surnames.

So Jaime Garcia Diaz and Maria Mesa Nadal would have a child called Mercedes Garcia Mesa

Now I trust I've cleared that up but it's doubtful.

Sorry for my ramblings

As you were

Peasblossom

“In every town/city across Britain the contingency of Pakistani/culture is no longer a minority.”

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at this. Where on earth did you get that idea.

Not in my town.
Not in my first sons town.
Not in my second sons city.
Not in my daughters city.

In fact I don’t know one town where this applies. Anybody?

I think I should just have ignored it.

I think it's racist and has no place in our society. It isn't true, either.

Debating whether or not to report it.

Totally agree Callistemon

GrannyGravey We abandoned or made illegal many traditions, as you pointed out FGM is another tradition which should be made illegal worldwide.
It was not one imposed by white men as far as I understand.

We need to carry on with the good traditions, those which lift the spirits and leave behind those which are dark and damaging and which arose in all cultures.

Callistemon I understand what you are saying.

Are we to include hanging, or any form of execution practised nowadays (I am against corporal punishment) as a form of tradition ?

Thinking this way makes the line very blurry.

GagaJo

*Copied and pasted.*

While assumptions and stereotypes about white people do exist, this is considered racial prejudice, not racism. Racial prejudice refers to a set of discriminatory or derogatory attitudes based on assumptions derived from perceptions about race and/or skin colour. Thus, racial prejudice can indeed be directed at white people (e.g., “White people can’t dance”) but is not considered racism because of the systemic relationship to power. When backed with power, prejudice results in acts of discrimination and oppression against groups or individuals.

Could you give the source you copies and pasted from?

3Nanny6 still like you to name one town/city where the Pakistani population is the majority. Just one???

But, there we are. Quit rather than accept you are wrong.

Gagajo : okay then you wish to decline that question so your
choice.

You ask Aren't we all for diversity? No I don't think we are
and if we were we would not need The Racial Equality Board
we would not need ongoing training in the workplace for Diversity and we would not need specialist complaints procedures for those claiming racial discrimination.
I could go on and on but am going to leave it there as I
have had enough now.

depending on the family and the tradition they can become a strait jacket......
As with the people who moan about doing lots of driving to visit assorted relatives at xmas.
(Of course, this is a comparatively recent 'tradition').

I’m not sure if burning witches and crucifying Christians could be classed as traditions?

'Burning at the stake, a method of execution practiced in Babylonia and ancient Israel and later adopted in Europe and North America.'
'Burning at the stake was a traditional form of execution for women found guilty of witchcraft' for hundreds of years.

Crucifixion of Christians has brought about the tradition of the cross being a symbol of Christianity.

“In every town/city across Britain the contingency of Pakistani/culture is no longer a minority.”

I don’t know whether to laugh or cry at this. Where on earth did you get that idea.

Not in my town.
Not in my first sons town.
Not in my second sons city.
Not in my daughters city.

In fact I don’t know one town where this applies. Anybody?

I think I should just have ignored it.

suziewoozie

Yes GG of course, family traditions as well. Generally a lovely thing but then depending on the family and the tradition they can become a strait jacket......

I suppose it depends on what our families and childhood was like.

I took on a lot of traditions from both Grandparents and two Great Grandparents, my parents were only children as was my step-parent and they were far too busy working to continue family traditions, but the Grans stepped in.

suziewoozie

I don’t think this thread is going well ?

Hahahahaha, you're not usually understated suzie. Love it.

3nanny6, people of Pakistani descent (so to include those born in the UK AND those who are Pakistani, who have migrated here) in Britain make up about 5% of the British population. Hardly the majority.

People with some degree of African / Caribbean are about the same. 5 or 6%.

Britain is pretty much 85 to 90% white.

Callistemon

^FGM is a different matter all together as is circumcision.^

Some traditions worldwide need to be addressed and made illegal and FGM still happens because of peer pressure.

Not all traditions are good nor should they be carried forward into the future. It was traditional to crucify Christians, burn people at the stake, kill witches etc but the word tradition covers such a broad spectrum of activities it is impossible to state that they are all wrong.

I’m not sure if burning witches and crucifying Christians could be classed as traditions?

Those advocating FGM are not as far as I am aware dead white males

Changing attitudes to barbaric practices is good, eroding quaint and quirky traditions would be a great loss to the UK and other Countries.

I don’t think this thread is going well ?

3nanny6, is my ethnicity relevant? NOT a snotty question, honestly. Just, really, aren't we all for diversity?

Yes GG of course, family traditions as well. Generally a lovely thing but then depending on the family and the tradition they can become a strait jacket......

I saw this online:

Knowing Our History and Culture Helps Us Build a Sense of Pride

Wait for the brickbats