Lab or Bats?

I think the most feasible explanation I’ve heard is on Radio 4.
It’s called The Jump. No sensationalism, just facts and of course
scientific assumptions by experts in this field.

EllanVannin

Many many Chinese visit this country for Christmas as they did in December 2019 which was when the virus supposedly began there on the 1st, yet other sources claim it began much earlier.

Again, apart from the two in Newcastle who were shown to be infected, do you have any proof at all than any of the tourists were infected?

This is pure speculation at the moment.

China has a population which is used to being compliant. If the government decrees something, people do as they're told. They are also used to wearing masks as an anti-pollution measure. I don't accept the fact that China acted so quickly and effectively as a reason to believe that the virus came from a lab.

I was bat-watching earlier as we have the tiny Pipistrelles here and one goes round in circles at dusk as the sun has set and come close too.

Many many Chinese visit this country for Christmas as they did in December 2019 which was when the virus supposedly began there on the 1st, yet other sources claim it began much earlier.

I wouldn't rely on what the WHO say either.

It's as though China knew what to do as they've all but eradicated the virus and I don't think they had a second wave. Their deaths have been fewer than ours and the odd few that are infected have trickled in from overseas bring the virus with them.
How on earth have they managed to contain their millions population from all being infected ?

EllanVannin

I've thought for long enough that it had " escaped " from a laboratory.

Do you have anything more than a hunch? I'm open-minded because I honestly don't know, but I'd be interested in finding out more from somebody who might actually know.

Katie59

AIDS spread from primates to humans probably by blood contact from bush meat. It was then spread amongst the population most likely with one of the mass vaccination programmes, for other tropical diseases, at that time they used multi dose syringes. Gay transmission was a minor contributor, ironically the higher classes suffered most because they were first in line for vaccination.

Do you have a link for that? I'd like to find out more from a reliable source.

I've thought for long enough that it had " escaped " from a laboratory.

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sodapop

Totally agree with your post Sarnia I've never been convinced of the wet market theory.
It had to have come from the laboratory in some way even if accidentally.

Why did it have to have come from the laboratory?

If it didn’t come from a laboratory why won’t China let the WHO investigate the laboratories properly? What have they got to hide?

We’ll never know for certain where it originated, because the authorities in China won’t allow proper, open investigation and they will conceal information.

AIDS spread from primates to humans probably by blood contact from bush meat. It was then spread amongst the population most likely with one of the mass vaccination programmes, for other tropical diseases, at that time they used multi dose syringes. Gay transmission was a minor contributor, ironically the higher classes suffered most because they were first in line for vaccination.

sodapop

Totally agree with your post Sarnia I've never been convinced of the wet market theory.
It had to have come from the laboratory in some way even if accidentally.

Why did it have to have come from the laboratory?

In any case, AIDS is not a purely homosexual illness. It is transmitted most easily by contact with the soft moist inner lining of the body - any body.

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Not really Daisymae there has been homosexual sex since man began, why not before ?

Yes, I think that we do know how AIDS originated.

It doesn’t matter we can think and think, we don’t know, so what’s the point going over and over it
Do we know where AIDS first started from or bird flu or any of the epidemics or pandemics we have been through
I was reading an old diary I usually start for a few weeks then it all drifts off until the following year ?anyway this was 2010
I m saying how bad the worlds feels with the threat of global warming, stories of storms, floods, loss of homes, that there is a very bad economy ,high unemployment and money problems at their highest in decades and that swine flu was scaring everybody and we were being promised a pandemic that would wipe us all out. This was 11 years ago nothing much changed really, just got worse

It's if prime importance that the origins of the pandemic are found. I definitely don't think that we know the full facts. If I had to bet I think that a lab error is the strongest possibility.

I think it came from a lab. Not deliberately, just a regular human error, but one which sadly has had dreadful consequences.

I think it came from the lab, but that of course is only my opinion. I also think it was an accident, but again, just my opinion. Like sodapop I’ve never been convinced of the wet market theory.

Elegran I had a quick news search yesterday, it had been stated that it didn’t come from the lab, then that it did, then that it didn’t, et cetera. So I was right that I had heard that, but news has been updated since.

Totally agree with your post Sarnia I've never been convinced of the wet market theory.
It had to have come from the laboratory in some way even if accidentally.

The Director-General of the WHO has criticised the findings of his own team of investigators saying they did not carry out a sufficient examination of all areas and did not fully investigate the labs. China now are asking the world to show respect to the scientists 'findings'. I doubt very much if China co-operated fully in an honest and transparent way. The WHO team would have only seen what the Chinese Government wanted them to see. It is a whitewash which tells us nothing and does not bode well for the future.