harry and megan

M has written a children's book called 'The Bench' by Meghan The Duchess of Sussex. Gosh that royal title sure is useful isn't it

Ellianne. having to walk behind William and Kate ? . They
stayed long enough for America to accept they were Royal then
off they went , they can now pretend to be what they are not.

So they were discussing leaving before they were married, but told the Queen they wanted to be full time working royals. I wonder why?
Maddyone my take on it is that Meghan knew she had to do that early stint in the Royal Family to get herself noticed around the world. It would have been no good to her to have taken Harry back to the States without all the visits, the clothes, royal jewellery etc.
She was just lucky she was allowed to integrate so early on (staying for Christmas before they married) and to be fair she was doing a good job and was popular. What changed?

I see she's now writing a book about father and son relationships (having spoiled one!)

They were appointed presidents of the Queen’s Commonwealth Trust, and there was The Queen’ Canopy ,
now the Queen has to appoint someone from an already slimmed down family .

Why accept when they were secretly discussing leaving the country ?

Harry and Meg are strangers to truth

eazybee agreed. Very vulgar.

Perhaps they jumped before they were pushed.

But the Queen asked them if they wanted to be full time working royals or not. They were not being pushed, they were offered in or out right at the start. They chose in, and yet told Oprah that they were discussing leaving for two years before they left. I think that timeline takes it back to before they were married. So they were discussing leaving before they were married, but told the Queen they wanted to be full time working royals. I wonder why?

Open and honest ? Really? they lied, fact.

You could argue that H&M have in fact been too open and honest about things.

Not sure about that, you could argue that hints and innuendo is not open or honest but malicious.

I was not anti H&M before the Oprah interview, if that is what they wanted to do, fair enough.
But that was a step too far.

Namsnanny

I know one thing for sure and that is I couldn't trust or vote for anyone who behaved as he/they have
But over the pond which is where their future lies, there is a completely distorted view of facts.
'Never let facts get in the way of a good story.'

Given the government we have at the moment I'm not sure anything H&M have done has the same level of deceit and untrustworthiness, so some people obviously don't care how the people they vote for behave.
You could argue that H&M have in fact been too open and honest about things.

I noticed that the new book cover for Finding Freedom includes a subtitle of the "Making of a Modern Royal Family"

Perhaps they mean they have helped with the making of a Modern Royal Family by opting out?

They knew there were demands for a slimmed down monarchy and this is being achieved more quickly with their exit?
Perhaps they jumped before they were pushed.

Exactly!

I know one thing for sure and that is I couldn't trust or vote for anyone who behaved as he/they have
But over the pond which is where their future lies, there is a completely distorted view of facts.
'Never let facts get in the way of a good story.'

Isn't that what happened at the funeral, the argument over uniforms and medals and who stood where?
That is why they all wore morning dress.
They are Duke and Duchess of Sussex, the title the Queen bestowed and could have withdrawn but didn't.
They are not, and unlikely now to be, their Royal Highnesses.
They are not a'Modern Royal Family' but that is all they have to sell themselves.
Very vulgar.

But lets be fair here. He is doing so at the expense of his family.
Absolutely, as we were saying at the start of this thread. He is manipulating things to suit.

It was the Taliban leaders in Afghanistan who pretty much put paid to Harry's military career. They wanted his head. That's why once again he had to reinvent himself and re channel his energies. With some success.

Ellianne

Harry can rebrand himself, or even reinvent himself, it is what celebrities do with the help of image makers (plenty of them in LA). Meghan is used to that kind of thing, it will be second nature for her. Harry's provenance will become less and less important. The only hope for them is that they are skilful enough to keep themselves relevant because let's face it 40+ is probably not the greatest age in life to be making a big name in the celebrity industry.

But lets be fair here. He is doing so at the expense of his family.
It is a classic estrangement situation.

Alegrias1

At the risk of being branded a Harry Supporter in all future threads..

On one hand we have a weak man who gave up all his responsibilities and landed his brother (a blood relative) in a role he was unsuited for, probably hastening his death. A man who thought his female (blood) relatives were old hags and who thought Hitler was on the right track. A man who is famed for his concern for poorer people but doesn't seem to have done anything about it despite his wealth and power.

On the other, we have a serving soldier who was by all accounts good at it and had to give it up when his cover was blown. One who started the Invictus Games and appears for charities today. One who is trying to protect his wife and children in the face of the harshest criticism from people who have never met him, but who think he's upset our own dear Queen.

I'll choose Prince Harry please.

I've made a rod for my own back, haven't I?

No you havent made a rod for your own back, but you have cherry picked the points of your argument to polarise it!

maddyone

^BTW , I’ve read that resulting in bringing in Hitler into the conversation is a sign you know you’ve lost the credibility of your position.^

Haha Namsnanny that’s me done for then

?? maddyone dont take it to heart, they also say if we stay in conversation long enough we always refer to Jesus too!
I'm not sure if I was this or one of the other R threads, but the devil was referred to, so I suppose it wont be long.?

Harry should probably have stayed in the army where he had a role and felt useful.
Wasn't one of the problems that he didn't actually have a role and wasn't permitted to do any active service as he wanted?

I would imagine the title is necessary because if he returns for any ceremonial occasion it helps put him in the right place for his rank, without it they'd all be arguing where he should go.

Harry can rebrand himself, or even reinvent himself, it is what celebrities do with the help of image makers (plenty of them in LA). Meghan is used to that kind of thing, it will be second nature for her. Harry's provenance will become less and less important. The only hope for them is that they are skilful enough to keep themselves relevant because let's face it 40+ is probably not the greatest age in life to be making a big name in the celebrity industry.

But, and this is crucial, a royal can be in the armed forces and still do the odd royal duty. Why? Because the armed forces serve our country, and are not trading on royal connections in order to make money.

pinkquartz in my opinion, that title ‘Making of a Modern Royal Family’ is totally inappropriate, given the circumstances, and stated aims, of Harry and Meghan leaving the royal family. Of course, Harry can’t throw off his actual family, anymore than Meghan can hers, but having said they were leaving to be independent, I find it difficult to see how such a title is not trading on their royal connections. As the Queen told them, they have to be fully in, or fully out, there is no way to be both in and out.

are events are seen for what they really are.

From a historical point of view it appears that the Royal Family rebrands itself after each crisis and moves the firm in a different direction. I'm guessing their aim is to limit any damage done and to relaunch the firm under a new guise. Charles won't have many years in which to achieve this and anyway, The Queen has left him a pretty clean slate. William might have a more difficult task. His wife doesn't look like she will rock any boats, but I imagine her influence might be quietly strong. Sadly, Harry and Meghan could have had meaningful input, but more and more they will become excluded and of less importance. Only time will tell and not until there is a gap of a good 50 years are events are seen for what they are.