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Parents of 4-year old transgender child - This Morning interview.

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FarNorth Tue 11-May-21 21:25:20

youtu.be/eaXobQFxb84

No comment.

maddyone Wed 12-May-21 09:52:19

Iam64

This ‘interview’ is my first (and last ) experience of the Good Morning programme.

Why do these parents think it’s ok to go on this programme to discuss their child in this way? The child isn’t able to give informed consent.

Absolutely, I agree with you Iam. What business is it of any of us? Everyone appears to have an opinion on it. It’s got nothing to do with us. The child is apparently only four years old. Strikes me the parents are attention seeking.
I don’t watch Good Morning either, and I didn’t see the interview.

Lucca Wed 12-May-21 09:43:30

JaneJudge

How can a two year old identify as anything other than a 2 year old? confused

If a two year old says “I’m a boy not a girl” why not just say OK and let child choose toys clothes etc without making such a performance out of it.

Clearly if child still feels the same but more strongly later then the issue would need addressing in a different way, eg informing school etc

JaneJudge Wed 12-May-21 09:29:27

How can a two year old identify as anything other than a 2 year old? confused

sodapop Wed 12-May-21 08:56:18

Well that mother certainly has her five minutes of 'fame' now. Nothing like a bit of child exploitation to improve the ratings.

Shelflife Wed 12-May-21 08:53:36

Discussing such a sensitive issues when their child is not in a position to give consent.

Shelflife Wed 12-May-21 08:52:21

Being transgender is so much more than a ' girl's being a Tom boy or a 'boy' pushing a dolly pram . When someone has traumatic surgery they are not changing their gender they are embracing who they are. I haven't seen the This Morning interview but not sure they should be Having said that other parents in the same situation may find it helpful.

Sarnia Wed 12-May-21 08:46:36

Far too young at 4 to make life changing decisions on their behalf. There have been instances where transgender changes have taken place only for that person to regret it later on. Wait until they are much older and wiser and can make informed decisions for themselves.

BlueBelle Wed 12-May-21 08:46:23

Isnt it interesting that the people that say let them do as they they like would be the first to say in other situations ie behaviour, table manners, phone etiquette etc ‘little brats allowed to do what they want these days no proper parenting’
I think a child should go how it wants in toys, play and experience BUT kids changed and to have such a talked about situation is awful, kids clothes and hairstyles can be totally neutral without making a big thing of it the hairdresser congratulation the ‘little boy’ on his haircut awful
Whilst not discouraging in any way it should be kept neutral and never never have a tv interview about it all wrong on so many counts

Franbern Wed 12-May-21 08:41:31

Not sure as to whether this story really is about the 'youngest' child feeling that they have been born in the wrong gender body. Several years back, when I was running big numbers of gymnastic competitions for recreational gymnasts, a parent contacted me about their child. Now, aged 7 years of age, they had been born with male genetalia, but had, from as young as two years old, identified as a girl.

The parents had just gone along with the wishes of their child and she had lived as a girl for nearly five years by then. Gone to school, etc. Problem was the birth certificate showed Male. No problem for me, I just told the competition organiser to change this entry from the boys to the girls - was not interested in childs name or club.

I do accept that there may have been more problems as this child started puberty.

One of my g.children at 13 years old said she thought she was gay. Well, that was fine by us, if that is how they felt. Within a year they had changed that to being transgender and wished to live as a boy. Again, this was their choice and we all went along with it. Now, nearly 18 years of age they say they are non-gender. I do sometimes have a little struggle with using what had previously been considered a plural pronoun (they/them), but apart from that no problems.

Their little brother, 11 years old, is very much a young boy - quite definitely, but does enjoy sometimes wearing a skirt as they like the feeling of it blowing out when they spin round. Why should he not wear this if he wishes?
First time he came round to me wearing this, he saw my look and said to me 'clothes should be non-gender based, Grandma - after all, YOU wear trousers, so why should I not wear a skirt?'. I was abashed at having to have this pointed out to me by a young child - out of the mouths of babes, etc.

annsixty Wed 12-May-21 08:39:21

Total agreement Iam64
I had to switch the clip off after a few minutes as I was so shocked at the mother’s total “me, me me” and felt if she said “validate “ once more I would throw my tablet.
That poor child is now outed for everyone to know his/her story.
And the false sincerity of the presenters was absolutely sickening, I too have never watched the programme and now never will.

Lucca Wed 12-May-21 08:25:12

Iam64

This ‘interview’ is my first (and last ) experience of the Good Morning programme.

Why do these parents think it’s ok to go on this programme to discuss their child in this way? The child isn’t able to give informed consent.

Great post. Totally agree.

25Avalon Wed 12-May-21 08:23:36

35 years ago a friend of mine had 2 girls. The eldest was a real girl but the youngest was a tomboy as the expression then went. The youngest was never happy wearing dresses or skirts, played football for a boys team, and her mum had to get special dispensation from the school for her to wear culottes instead of a skirt. When she grew up it was no surprise that she had a girl as her partner whom she subsequently became the husband of. Was she, however, transgender? I don’t think so and that is the problem. In the states a lot of parents would rather their child was transgender than gay or lesbian.

There is a lot of trauma in transgendering. It is probably best left under the child is older and in the meanwhile let them be treated just as themselves.

Galaxy Wed 12-May-21 08:07:03

Yes we should stop.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 12-May-21 08:05:47

I’ve never heard of This Morning.

But to come on and discuss another’s individual in this way without their consent is outrageous, and we are complicit in this outrage by discussing it.

Galaxy Wed 12-May-21 08:02:49

This morning should not be allowed to cover issues relating to children they just arent equipped to handle it. A few years ago they gave a platform to a man who had been cleared of shaking his baby, he ran a media campaign to regain custody, he was successful and killed her a year later. Obviously this then gave this morning the opportunity to run a segment on how awful they felt for being duped. Childrens issues are not entertainment for adults and especially by a programme with such a proven record.

Chardy Wed 12-May-21 07:52:46

Society makes demands on children and how the genders behave.
DGD went through Nursery not caring what she wore, how she played. Now she's at school (young dynamic teacher, but she's seeing much older children in the playground for the first time), she's quite vociferous about boys' clothes and girls' clothes. I dread her talking about boys' toys and girls' toys which the toy shops push far more than they did in her parents' day.

Iam64 Wed 12-May-21 07:51:45

This ‘interview’ is my first (and last ) experience of the Good Morning programme.

Why do these parents think it’s ok to go on this programme to discuss their child in this way? The child isn’t able to give informed consent.

JaneJudge Wed 12-May-21 07:09:35

One of my sons used to do his hair and wear make up and dress very feminine and we didn't make a big deal of it. I remember having a conversation with him about gender stereotyping (he was over 10) and societal expectations of either biological sex and how it was fine to be who he was. We never discussed him changing his name or being a girl. Presumably the stuff on this morning was a bit more complex.

My friend has changed from a man to a woman and has had surgery. He suffered a massive life changing trauma as a teenager and does seem much happier to be living as a woman, whether that is part of leaving the trauma behind I don't know, I imagine that is complex too.

There does need to be line drawn wrt to female only care and other issues. We can be accepting of people's choices whilst respecting other peoples (women's) rights.

Sparkling Wed 12-May-21 06:38:55

So no one will be gender specific, what a complete load of tosh. They will soon see what sex age she is at 13, what then ! The only way to be make her male is to completely change a sound body into which she was born. Can't they just be and develop. I didn't play with dolls, much preferred my friends to be boys as I loved bikes and cars, so glad my parents funny label me transgender, I most definitely wasn't as when I hit teens noticed boys in a completely different way. We change so much at different stages in our lives. The parents, very loving and sure doing it for the best intentions are doing it for them, wrong to put labels on anyone. She's a girl that prefers boys games and clothes that's all.

FarNorth Wed 12-May-21 05:49:00

Sex is not a social construct.

Hithere Wed 12-May-21 01:35:19

Summerlove
Exactly

We are human beings, why do we have to put ourselves in buckets?

Summerlove Wed 12-May-21 01:29:43

aggie

Unfortunately there are gender specific bodies , and that is the hard bit when the child reaches puberty, it’s not all sweetness and roses then

Gender is a social construct though

FarNorth Wed 12-May-21 01:02:42

It's lucky that these sorts of ideas haven't caught on, isn't it. However would a child know if they are a girl or a boy then?

www.lettoysbetoys.org.uk/

aggie Tue 11-May-21 22:22:45

Unfortunately there are gender specific bodies , and that is the hard bit when the child reaches puberty, it’s not all sweetness and roses then

trisher Tue 11-May-21 22:22:25

M0nica

Do what they want. What's the problem?

That's exactly what those parents are doing!