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earnshaw Sun 16-May-21 12:14:56

I was so saddened by the interview with harry and megan , why would two people who have got exactly what they wanted are happy to create such pain for others

theworriedwell Wed 19-May-21 19:25:05

Aveline

Those brave men. The Arctic Convoys were desperately dangerous. Your father was a very brave man. Not much choice I suppose but he'll really have known the meaning of stress.
I was also going to say that sex with a 17 year old is not paedophilia. Its perfectly legal here between consenting adults.

Thank you, I'm proud of the teenager he was. He came to England penniless, desperate to join the navy but had to wait till he was old enough. He was actually preferred the convoys to later in the war when he was on a submarine.

Jabberwok Wed 19-May-21 19:32:46

Thank you Aveline, but it was a friend of mines father. Yes they were extremely brave men worthy of our admiration. My father was in Bomber Command and he was killed just before I was born. My stepfather was a P.OW of the Japanese . These relationships can get a bit confusing!
I agree with you about the paedophilia, 17 is not underage here and the photos would show a happy party, and one other showing Epstein and P.A walking in Central Park. Not really hanging offenses.

Lollin Wed 19-May-21 19:35:23

In some countries it is illegal to drink alcohol and people who go there know they can end up in prison.

Galaxy Wed 19-May-21 19:45:22

I can imagine if Meghan chose to hang out with a man accused of those offenses.
Actually the age of consent varies in this country too. Sone offences go up to the age of 18.

Iam64 Wed 19-May-21 19:56:42

There’s a difference between rich, powerful men who have sex with vulnerable, trafficked 17 year olds and the man you married at 17 worried well.
As for the ‘happy’ photographs, exactly the same argument was put about the adolescents abused and trafficked my grooming gangs. The tv programme Three Girls helped to change public opinion about those children.
There’s a Netflix series called Filthy Rich. It sets out beyond question that Epstein sexually exploited and trafficked vulnerable school girls.

lemongrove Wed 19-May-21 20:08:47

theworriedwell

Aveline

Those brave men. The Arctic Convoys were desperately dangerous. Your father was a very brave man. Not much choice I suppose but he'll really have known the meaning of stress.
I was also going to say that sex with a 17 year old is not paedophilia. Its perfectly legal here between consenting adults.

Thank you, I'm proud of the teenager he was. He came to England penniless, desperate to join the navy but had to wait till he was old enough. He was actually preferred the convoys to later in the war when he was on a submarine.

Have you read The Cruel Sea? It’s a fantastic book ( fiction) but based on what the convoys experienced during the war.

Anniebach Wed 19-May-21 20:21:37

Wasn’t Epstein charged with trafficking and hanged himself , so
was there any doubt ?

trisher Wed 19-May-21 20:45:52

I see Prince Andrew is slowly morphing into "Good Royal" just as Harry morphs into "Bad". It is such a fascinating process with no reasn or logic behind it whatsoever.

theworriedwell Wed 19-May-21 20:52:19

Iam64

There’s a difference between rich, powerful men who have sex with vulnerable, trafficked 17 year olds and the man you married at 17 worried well.
As for the ‘happy’ photographs, exactly the same argument was put about the adolescents abused and trafficked my grooming gangs. The tv programme Three Girls helped to change public opinion about those children.
There’s a Netflix series called Filthy Rich. It sets out beyond question that Epstein sexually exploited and trafficked vulnerable school girls.

That wasn't the point I was making, it might be morally wrong, it might be illegal but it isn't paedophilia. If we are going to call people names lets use the right ones.

I don't know what you mean about "happy" photographs. I didn't mention photographs, just the fact that sex with a 17 year old isn't paedophilia. It might be assault, it might be rape it might be alot of things but it isn't paedophilia.

theworriedwell Wed 19-May-21 21:01:26

trisher

I see Prince Andrew is slowly morphing into "Good Royal" just as Harry morphs into "Bad". It is such a fascinating process with no reasn or logic behind it whatsoever.

The only logic is sex with a 17 year old isn't paedophilia.

Paedophilia refers to a sexual attraction to prepubescent children.

Anniebach Epstein might have been a paediophile or he might be have more into underage girls who weren't prepubescent but either way it doesn't mean Andrew is a paedophile. The fact is a woman has accused him of having sex with her when she was trafficked as a 17 year old. It doesn't meet the definition of paedophilia. Of course there might be other accusations in the future but I don't think it is worth making things up.

I think people are confusing underage sex with paedophilia which I suppose is understandable as paedophilia obviously refers to underage children but underage sex can most definitely be with older but underage teenagers, in the UK under 16. Either way the accusations against Andrew don't meet either definition. He's accused of having sex with a 17 year old who was trafficked. That's bad enough isn't it?

Anniebach Wed 19-May-21 21:17:36

Agree theworriedwell my comment on Epstein was ‘he was arrested for trafficking and he hanged himself.

trisher what rubbish, no one has praised or defended Andrew, he has been accused , that’s it, there is nothing else to
say about him, nothing been reported in the press and he has remained silent after that disastrous tv interview .

We are discussing Harry who enjoys giving interviews so we can have our opinions on his interviews.

So do not accuse posters of things which are untrue please

theworriedwell Wed 19-May-21 21:27:14

I'm not sure why saying Andrew was accused of having sex with a young woman who was trafficked is morphing him into the "Good Royal" I don't know anyone who would think that made him a good man or a good royal but interesting how others see it.

Anniebach Wed 19-May-21 21:35:12

Perhaps it’s trisher who thinks it

theworriedwell Wed 19-May-21 21:44:18

Yes maybe it is.

JaneJudge Wed 19-May-21 21:50:01

there is another definition though as pubescent under 16s though, I forget the definition, it begins with an M
it's still illegal

trisher Wed 19-May-21 22:06:07

The legal definition of paedophilia is actually slightlly different
Any feasible definition tends therefore to focus on the criminal acts and behaviour involved. This consequently suggests that a paedophile is an adult who commits a sexual offence against a child. While this would appear at first glance to be fairly straightforward, albeit circular, problems concerning age and the meaning of ‘child’, ‘adult’ and ‘sexual’ are palpable in this context. For example, from a legal perspective, in England and Wales, a child can be someone under the age of 14 (Children Act 1989), under 16 (Child Benefit Act 2005), or under 18 (United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child). Moreover, concepts such as child and adult are interdependent, particularly in this context.
The question thus arises regarding at what point on a spectrum of age, sexual offending additionally becomes paedophilia. Weeks (1985) points out that our concern with age in conjunction with sexual activity is ultimately a debate about the appropriate minimum age for engagement in such activity (in England and Wales this currently stands at 16). When assessing this we are really asking when we feel a child has the mental maturity, intellectual capacity and competence to make a free and reasoned decision (Waites 2005). Waites also acknowledges that this is not a straightforward question and can depend on what is held to be important. This also ties in with children’s rights and at what age children should be allowed or even be entitled to participate in decisions regarding their life
In the case of children who have been trafficked the age and the ability to give consent would differ from another child.

trisher Wed 19-May-21 22:10:35

At least his disgusting uncle Andy doesn’t keep bleating on.
That sounds pretty much like the start of redefining him to me.

Anniebach Wed 19-May-21 22:38:12

It would to you trisher some see mud etc

Lucca Wed 19-May-21 22:51:50

“ We are discussing Harry who enjoys giving interviews so we can have our opinions on his interviews. ”

And his mother is coming under fire.

Lucca Wed 19-May-21 22:52:19

Anniebach

Wasn’t Epstein charged with trafficking and hanged himself , so
was there any doubt ?

Any doubt about what ?

Anniebach Wed 19-May-21 23:00:19

Have just listened to the press review, surely heads will role

Lucca Wed 19-May-21 23:01:38

Lucca

Anniebach

Wasn’t Epstein charged with trafficking and hanged himself , so
was there any doubt ?

Any doubt about what ?

Doubt about what?

theworriedwell Wed 19-May-21 23:03:29

trisher the law in England is quite clear that sex with a child under 13 is regarded as very different to sex with a child over 13. Either way the age of consent is 16. Anyone who trafficks a woman for sex is commiting a crime but if the woman is over 16 then paedophilia isn't part of the offence.

Perhaps we should agree that sex with a woman who is trafficked is a crime but the crime isn't paedophilia.

theworriedwell Wed 19-May-21 23:04:12

Anniebach

Have just listened to the press review, surely heads will role

I didn't hear it.

Anniebach Wed 19-May-21 23:23:50

The BBC tricked Diana into giving the panorama interview, they lied to her .

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