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earnshaw Sun 16-May-21 12:14:56

I was so saddened by the interview with harry and megan , why would two people who have got exactly what they wanted are happy to create such pain for others

Sparklefizz Sun 23-May-21 10:11:18

Well said MOnica

Anniebach Sun 23-May-21 09:52:14

Well said MOnica well said , thank you . Some don’t know what harm can be done by a family member publicly condemning a family, I hope they never experience it.

M0nica Sun 23-May-21 09:39:41

Iam64 I think many people felt compassion and understanding for Prince Harry to begin with. The tragic loss of his mother at a critical age and his obvious unhappiness, especially after leaving the army and his brothers marriage meant most people were delighted by his marriage and choice of spouse. Even his decision to leave the RF and move to another country was accepted.

But while most of us make allowances for the behaviour of people who are ill, physically or mentally, it doesn't follow that everything someone ill says or does can be justified by referring to their physical, or in this case mental problems.

This is the case with Prince Harry. The interview with Oprah Winfrey, with its mix of truths, half truths and downright lies, when well beyond the point where its own lack of compassion and his willingness to hang his closest family out to dry, could be justified by his fragile mental state.

We have a phrase in our family for the kind of hard nosed person who will do anything, exploit anything, for money. The phrase is: 'he would render his own grandmother down for lard'. that is exactly what Prince Harry did.

He looked at his grandparents, both in their late 90s, with one looking death in the face, who loved and cared for him, even if not always in a way he appreciated, and he gave them up to the renderers - and didn't even have to be paid to do it.

You say that poster's lack of compassion disgusts you. Prince Harry's lack of compassion disgusts me.

theworriedwell Sun 23-May-21 09:23:03

Iam64

EMDR is well reviewed as helpful for people struggling with trauma. CBT can help with fear of public speaking, flying etc but is not helpful for people with more complex needs.
Harry is a human being just like the rest of us. The absence of compassion on these threads disgusts me.

EMDR did nothing for the person I know who had very longterm issues with abuse. I guess these things are unpredictable. MH professionals I know (from previous job) are all very keen on CBT. I never had either so don't know myself.

I would imagine alot would depend on the therapist and if they hit it off with the client. I would think you'd need to feel able to trust them or it wouldn't work but again that is just the impression I have from observing people who have had some sort of therapy.

Anniebach Sun 23-May-21 08:46:18

The absence of compassion by some for Harry’s blood family
disgusts me, x

Iam64 Sun 23-May-21 08:39:35

EMDR is well reviewed as helpful for people struggling with trauma. CBT can help with fear of public speaking, flying etc but is not helpful for people with more complex needs.
Harry is a human being just like the rest of us. The absence of compassion on these threads disgusts me.

Lucca Sun 23-May-21 06:17:06

Depends what you mean by “needs”. Clearly she continues to choose what will work, it wouldn’t make sense otherwise but Oprah didn’t ‘need” this interview to make her successful.

eazybee Sat 22-May-21 22:23:55

If she didn't need it she wouldn't do it.

Bagatelle Sat 22-May-21 22:21:33

Callistemon: sorry, it was theworriedwell.

Ellianne Sat 22-May-21 22:18:12

Oprah may well have had success with that interview but to be honest she doesn’t need it, she’s been highly successful for years.
I agree, Lucca, if it hadn't been Harry there would have been someone else with a high profile for her to interview and to focus on.
But Harry must be the icing on the cake for her.
She cleverly identified with Meghan in the first interview and now she has taken up Harry's crusade. I guess that shows her immense skill.

Lucca Sat 22-May-21 22:00:24

Smileless2012

Someone made a similar link yesterday eazybee suggesting that Oprah may be to H what Bashir was to Diana. Not that she's used underhand tactics to get these interviews, but she does appear to be riding high on the wave of his pain and issues.

Oprah may well have had success with that interview but to be honest she doesn’t need it, she’s been highly successful for years.

Callistemon Sat 22-May-21 21:05:59

Did I say that?

I'm worried now, have I got a memory problem?

Bagatelle Sat 22-May-21 20:55:33

Callistemon: I think it is important to remember that counselling can make things worse before they get better... I think that is why it is dangerous to make everything too public as everyone remembers what has been said.

Exactly.

Aveline Sat 22-May-21 20:38:50

Callistemon me too. Boy shall he reap what he has sown! He won't be able to sit down for kicking himself.

theworriedwell Sat 22-May-21 20:25:58

I think it is important to remember that counselling can make things worse before they get better. Well that is what I have observed, lots of stuff gets raked up and has to be worked through. I think that is why it is dangerous to make everything too public as everyone remembers what has been said.

Callistemon Sat 22-May-21 20:23:30

For a young dad of a two-year-old child to think he knows so much about parenting that he can lecture the world on the subject is naive in the extreme.

Oh, to be around when Archie is a teenager!
grin

GrannyRose15 Sat 22-May-21 19:53:23

On the subject of counselling, I would suggest that Harry does not understand how the process is supposed to work. We talk to our counsellors so that we don't have to go over and over our problems with our friends. The counsellor can help where the friend would probably be out of their depth. Some very raw emotions are exposed during counselling and it is a very bad idea, particularly at the start of the process, to share these with anyone outside the counselling setting, let alone with the whole world.

Alegrias1 Sat 22-May-21 19:51:35

And there we are.....

GrannyRose15 Sat 22-May-21 19:47:23

How dismissive. How superior.

We could echo your words back to you, Alegrias.

How do you know the two sisters haven't discussed the whole issue and agree on the reasons one is more forgiving of their mother.

Having children teaches you a lot but most of what it teaches you is about having children. This is something you can't now if you haven't had any.

For a young dad of a two-year-old child to think he knows so much about parenting that he can lecture the world on the subject is naive in the extreme.

theworriedwell Sat 22-May-21 19:30:33

ixion it is interesting. I know someone who had it some years ago, I think it wasn't very mainstream back then but seems quite well established now.

ixion Sat 22-May-21 19:26:21

www.healthline.com/health/emdr-therapy

EMDR therapy. An interesting article.

theworriedwell Sat 22-May-21 16:38:41

Bagatelle

Counselling is supposed to help. It doesn't appear to be doing that - Harry looks more of a mess every time we see him. There is no getting rid of problems by talking about them; the object of it is to help the person to come to terms with and move on from whatever happened. This can involve other family members, but I don't suppose Prince Charles has been given a chance to participate.

Prince Charles hasn't said much, but despite all that has been said against him there a many photos of the boys having a good time with him, riding bikes and skiing, looking happy and relaxed. Harry seemed happiest during his time with William and Kate.

This all smacks more of revenge than reconciliation.

There's a lot of money for someone in this. Harry is being exploited, as was his mother.

There are different types of counselling/therapy. I think CBT is well thought of for moving you on rather than dwelling in the past.

I noticed on a clip shown on Sky news that he was doing a therapy called EMDR, which is to do with eye movements. I think it is popular for PTSD.

Alegrias1 Sat 22-May-21 16:22:22

Harry looks more of a mess every time we see him.

Really? Are we talking about the same Harry?

Bagatelle Sat 22-May-21 16:09:46

Counselling is supposed to help. It doesn't appear to be doing that - Harry looks more of a mess every time we see him. There is no getting rid of problems by talking about them; the object of it is to help the person to come to terms with and move on from whatever happened. This can involve other family members, but I don't suppose Prince Charles has been given a chance to participate.

Prince Charles hasn't said much, but despite all that has been said against him there a many photos of the boys having a good time with him, riding bikes and skiing, looking happy and relaxed. Harry seemed happiest during his time with William and Kate.

This all smacks more of revenge than reconciliation.

There's a lot of money for someone in this. Harry is being exploited, as was his mother.

trisher Sat 22-May-21 16:09:39

Ellianne

Ridiculoso (??) or not, trisher, I am not talking about post service activities or jobs, I am talking about the inner person. ie the journey they go on as an individual while in the army.
My SiL's post military activities are now as far from the military as they possibly could be, but the training, team work, camaraderie and respect he learned remain with him. We can all choose to use our experiences in a positive way.

And the Invictus games isn't positive?

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