Boris and Carrie have got married!

lemongrove

Ilovecheese

Because she married a divorced man. The church should either allow it for everyone or for no one, not just because the man was a person of influence.

Haven’t you read the whole thread? It wasn’t because he is a person of influence, it’s simply Roman Catholic rules.
If you are both Catholic and marry in a Catholic church then divorce, you can’t then marry someone else in a Catholic church.If you are Catholic and marry somebody in a C of E church, or a chapel, or a registry office and then divorce them,
Then later you can marry in a Catholic Church because the RC church doesn't recognise marriages made elsewhere.

My first wedding was in a Registry Office. I might add this took place before I converted to RC. So at the time of my first wedding neither myself nor my ex were RC. When I got divorced the RC treated me as a divorced (not an unmarried woman). There was no way they would let me get married in church when I married the second time even though I was a practising RC by that time.

He didn’t have to get married in a Catholic Church. He could have had a civil ceremony at Downing Street (or even his country pad). But he took a course of action that resulted in his children not being acknowledged by the Catholic Church. Did he even think of them? I very much doubt it.
You have no idea what they think, Maybee and are seeing the situation through your own sad experiences. I am sorry that you and your children suffered but every situation, every marriage is different.
Presumably this was the bride's wish and he went along with what she wanted.

GrannyGravy13

It’s 2021 and illegitimate should in my opinion never ever be used in context of a child’s birth.

No, it shouldn't, I apologise if my post inferred that but that wasn't the point I was trying to make.

Surely he would have to have confession or absolve/ask for forgiveness whatever it is that catholic priests insist on? So, how did it go with the divorces, abortions, adultery etc? I have not time for organised religion and this has confirmed that I am right. As for those two, I do not wish them well, their marriage is on the back of many other people's unhappiness and they do not deserve to 'live happily ever after'.

I can’t take Johnson seriously. As a man, husband, father or prime minister.

Yes the age gap Is their business. I’m relieved my 33 year old daughter didn’t marry a confirmed as unfaithful, unreliable, self indulgent 57 year old.

are we getting a bank holiday to celebrate it
Mick

With teacher/pupil and similar relationships, it’s not the age, it’s the power imbalance that’s telling. My dil is Parisian and has some very interesting thoughts on the Macrons.

The country is in the middle of a public health crisis, as the PM keeps reminding us. Seems an odd moment for him to choose to get married. Hard to respect him for it, or for knowingly (presumably?) drawing down criticism on the RC church for inconsistent practices just to suit himself and his new wife. Hostile? Critical? Of course we are.

Yes Mawbe I was being sarcastic.

Galaxy

Indeed there should be no scandal related to teachers having relationships with their pupils.

Really?
Given that teachers are in loco parentis emotional or sexual attachments between teachers and their students (even over the age of sexual consent) are a very grey and undesirable area.

MayBee70 as his previous marriages were not in a Catholic Church and as such not recognised why would his older children be recognised by the Catholic Church?

If they wish to convert to Catholicism it’s very easy to do so nowadays, I know several who have and one had been divorced twice ( registry office and C of E church weddings)

Jane she does! And Bodger is the absolute spit of his dad

I always offer congratulations to newly wed couples. I don’t usually have all the knowledge we’ve been offered about their pasts, religious details, rights and wrongs etc. that we’ve been served up with for Boris and Carrie but I wouldn’t do anything other than wish them well anyway.
Congratulations B&C.

https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202105/medium-513730-boris-carrie-holiday-square.jpg https://www.gransnet.com/uploads/talk/202105/medium-318972-38497304-9188509-comedian-rob-beckett-35-pictured-shared-the-stories-behind-a-sel-m-2-1611671326827.jpg

I always thought she looked like Rob Beckett in that camping photograph

GrannyGravy13

MayBee70

But this isn’t a newborn child. These are young adults that have seen their father leave their mother for someone else and are now regarded by the church as non existent. I agree that no child is illegitimate. But this is the very same Church that treated unmarried mothers as criminals, made them give away their babies with no contact (eg Philomena). It’s just all so two faced.

It’s the Church that is in the wrong.

Nobody know what goes on inside a marriage, it is not my place to judge

He didn’t have to get married in a Catholic Church. He could have had a civil ceremony at Downing Street (or even his country pad). But he took a course of action that resulted in his children not being acknowledged by the Catholic Church. Did he even think of them? I very much doubt it.

GrannyGravy13

It’s 2021 and illegitimate should in my opinion never ever be used in context of a child’s birth.

Blimey, yes, too right. It's a horrible, horrible world.

There's 24 years difference between Boris and Carrie. There's 26 between me and Mr C.
Only once have we been mistaken for father and daughter - and it was at that start of our relationship.
It was Father's Day, and a bloke in the pub asked Mr C if I was treating to a meal for Father's Day!
Mind you Carrie does look young for her age (when they were on holiday camping and she was wearing shorts, she looked about 15) and Boris looks older than his years.
He does much look better now though after being so ill.

MayBee70

But this isn’t a newborn child. These are young adults that have seen their father leave their mother for someone else and are now regarded by the church as non existent. I agree that no child is illegitimate. But this is the very same Church that treated unmarried mothers as criminals, made them give away their babies with no contact (eg Philomena). It’s just all so two faced.

It’s the Church that is in the wrong.

Nobody know what goes on inside a marriage, it is not my place to judge

Yes Maybee, in the past.

But this isn’t a newborn child. These are young adults that have seen their father leave their mother for someone else and are now regarded by the church as non existent. I agree that no child is illegitimate. But this is the very same Church that treated unmarried mothers as criminals, made them give away their babies with no contact (eg Philomena). It’s just all so two faced.

I’m sure even the Catholic Church will eventually marry whoever if it means not losing business!

GrannyGravy13

It’s 2021 and illegitimate should in my opinion never ever be used in context of a child’s birth.

You are spot on GrannyGravy. In fact it’s impossible to be illegitimate now since a law was passed some time ago, I can’t remember when, which gives children born out of wedlock the same rights and status as those born in wedlock. For example, children born outside of marriage can now inherit in exactly the same way as those born in marriage. Quite right too, in my opinion. There are no illegitimate children now.

I think large age differences are nobody’s business apart from the couple’s. If they’re happy with it, why does it matter?

It’s 2021 and illegitimate should in my opinion never ever be used in context of a child’s birth.

I just think that it is strange, considering the hoops one of my friends had to jump through as a non Catholic, to marry her Catholic fiance that it is now permissable to be married in a Catholic church if one of the couple is not only non Catholic, but divorced, and not just once but twice!
How things change!

Are Johnson's other children regarded as illegitimate by the Catholic Church?

As they are not in the eyes of the law, then it makes the rules of the Catholic church even more irrelevant.