Boris and Carrie have got married!

Certainly the Catholic Church in UK will be damaged by this, in the eyes of many, including mine. And there is no bitterness here from me. I am not religious and chose NOT to get married in Church - 50 years yesterday.

So the argument here is not that they got married, but how, where and by whom ... and why.

Also it’s not necessarily “bile” to have a joke at the expense of someone in the public eye who hasn’t got a great track record where relationships are concerned. You should see the Private Eye cover - some of you would need the smelling salts.

The Catholic church has all manner of contradictory grey areas that are blatantly unfair.

For example I believe, a married man can become a catholic priest if he just so happened to be a married vicar and convert to catholicism, obviously he can't dump wife and kids if they are in existence, so he can proceed in his priestly duties having his cake and eating it so to speak. How unfair given that married status is precluded to those men who may have a calling but are put off by taking a vow of celibacy. There is a dire shortage of priests anyway, if the church were to move with the times and allow married men and women to become ordained that could well be reversed. As we all know, somewhere back in the mists of time priests were married, as I imagine Jesus was, it was very unlikely for a Jewish man of that time not to be married. Another piece of skewed history to fit in with the patriarchy.

Annulment is really just the catholic version of divorce, they can call it what they like it's the same thing essentially. Divorce is so unpalatable to the church, they have to pretend it's something else. I don't understand how anyone or body can rule that a marriage was invalid unless there's damn good reason such as it being a "forced marriage". Certainly if there are children how can it be nullified?

Having grown up with it all and really to anyone who hasn't been raised in such a way, I'd say you have to live it to understand that control, most of us do in retrospect. The church seeks to imbue children in its doctrines before they can possibly comprehend what they are taking on. Hence "Give me the child until he is 7 and I will give you the man" No girls and women don't get a mention It's probably why I didn't bring my children up in what was my faith because I think following a religion requires making an informed choice. Many catholics, lapsed or practising carry some sort of mish mash of guilt.

Because people have different opinions and are allowed to express them. So lots of people are interested in the issues relating to the church.

Fanny I think it’s got worse to be honest. Maybe it’s the Covid pandemic, I don’t know, but these type of threads seem to attract the most unpleasantness. The Harry and Meghan threads, and the Boris Johnson threads seem the worse to me. Thankfully there have been some lovely comments on this thread, but also some very nasty ones. There are other subjects too but we’re not supposed to discuss other threads so I won’t. I wish Carrie and Boris well on their marriage, I don’t know why we can’t all do that and leave it at that.

If theworriedwell was making a joke I apologise.

maddyone

So many bitter remarks on here, really truly nastiness. Disgusting.

I've not been a member for very long, so I missed all of the Brexit stuff.
It must haves been absolute carnage!

Me too FannyCornforth

So many bitter remarks on here, really truly nastiness. Disgusting.

I thought that theworriedwell was making a joke.

theworriedwell if twisting my post makes you feel better about yourself and superior go ahead enjoy!

For the purpose of truth and clarity I do not think that the marriage of Mr. & Mrs. Johnson yesterday was an atrocity.

theworriedwell

GrannyGravy13

theworriedwell

GrannyGravy13

theworriedwell sorry but I do not understand your post.

It isn't only Catholics who have committed sins and it isn't only the Catholic church who have covered up wrong doing although it does seem to be the target of choice for many.

This thread is about Mr. & Mrs Johnson’s marriage in a Catholic Cathedral, it is the Catholic Church and its principals/rules that are being discussed.

I am sure we could have another thread regarding the sins of mankind?

Oh I see, you are saying their marriage is another Catholic atrocity. Got you.

???

How to twist someone's post

varian

They do say that when a man marries his mistress, it creates a job vacancy.

It was James Goldsmith who said it.

Goldsmith also founded The Referendum Party in 1997.

I can't think of a pithy or witty punchline to conclude this post!

GrannyGravy13

theworriedwell sorry but I do not understand your post.

I don't understand either.
We are discussing specifically what is and is not allowed by the Catholic Church, not universal sins, wars etc.

GrannyGravy13

theworriedwell

GrannyGravy13

theworriedwell sorry but I do not understand your post.

It isn't only Catholics who have committed sins and it isn't only the Catholic church who have covered up wrong doing although it does seem to be the target of choice for many.

This thread is about Mr. & Mrs Johnson’s marriage in a Catholic Cathedral, it is the Catholic Church and its principals/rules that are being discussed.

I am sure we could have another thread regarding the sins of mankind?

Oh I see, you are saying their marriage is another Catholic atrocity. Got you.

theworriedwell

GrannyGravy13

theworriedwell sorry but I do not understand your post.

It isn't only Catholics who have committed sins and it isn't only the Catholic church who have covered up wrong doing although it does seem to be the target of choice for many.

This thread is about Mr. & Mrs Johnson’s marriage in a Catholic Cathedral, it is the Catholic Church and its principals/rules that are being discussed.

I am sure we could have another thread regarding the sins of mankind?

So many sins and atrocities are carried out under the shield of the human race, and many of them by no means are under the shield of Catholicism. What about all the war that went on in Iraq with killing of innocent people and children and many of the guns supplied under the ruling of Tony Blair. How many children do you think go hungry in the U.K this very day and suffer violence and abuse by their parents behind closed doors perhaps more people should look to have that wiped out and abused children should get their lives back. I do not like to see all that sort of stuff blamed on the Catholic church.

Oh just to get back to the wedding ceremony what a lovely day they had and Good Luck !!!!!! after all everyone loves a
charismatic philanderer jolly good old boy all those marriages and affairs not forgetting the children. It certainly was a whirlwind when he divorced wife no 1 and married wife no2 within 12 days just in time for wife no2s baby arriving.

GrannyGravy13

Whatever you think they both look very happy and in love in this photo

Boris looks like the cat who got the cream!

Ready to hop into bed!

GrannyGravy13

theworriedwell sorry but I do not understand your post.

It isn't only Catholics who have committed sins and it isn't only the Catholic church who have covered up wrong doing although it does seem to be the target of choice for many.

A widowed friend of ours, a Catholic, wanted to marry a divorced man but was told they could not marry in a Catholic church as he had been married before in a C of E church. So they lived together for 18 years until he finally decided to become Catholic and they got married. So have the Catholic church's rules changed?

They do say that when a man marries his mistress, it creates a job vacancy.

theworriedwell sorry but I do not understand your post.

GrannyGravy13

Marrying a divorcee pails into significance compared to the sins and atrocities carried out under the shield of Catholicism over the years...

Well many sins and atrocities were carried out under the shield of the human race. Maybe we should all opt out, I mean all the good people, all the good work doesn't count for anything for humans in general or Catholics in particular.

Marrying a divorcee pails into significance compared to the sins and atrocities carried out under the shield of Catholicism over the years...

I think her powers of reasoning are absolutely sound. She is able to live a most luxurious lifestyle at absolutely no cost to herself or her new spouse.

Indeed, MaizieD.
As Johnson is a completely self-centred individual, I guess that is also the type of person who might find him attractive.

They can't have a cost-free lifestyle forever, though.