Boris and Carrie have got married!

Does anyone really care, she will be running No 10 now then

As for referring to Carrie as his mistress (such an outdated label) - wasn't he married to his first wife when he was having an affair with his second wife - so doesn't that mean she was a mistress too?

Yes, I believe so, Beckett.
Such an old-fashioned, sexist term though.

Beware the serial adulterer.

lemongrove

Have just looked for sources ....not very reliable ones The Mirror and the Sun, they all use the word allegedly, that she booked taxis and claimed other expenses also another says that allegedly a boss thought she wasn’t up to the job.Maybe somebody wanted her job, who knows?

Ok. She was ‘asked to leave’. Which is far far better than being sacked ....

Have just looked for sources ....not very reliable ones The Mirror and the Sun, they all use the word allegedly, that she booked taxis and claimed other expenses also another says that allegedly a boss thought she wasn’t up to the job.Maybe somebody wanted her job, who knows?

Not all mistresses who marry their once married lover leave a vacancy. It’s possible to kiss many frogs till one finds one’s prince

Now Carrie Symonds ‘doesn’t seem a very moral person’ !
I never knew we had all these earnest chapel goers on the forum.
You can’t put your own experiences Maybee onto everybody elses marriages ( or divorces.) I have never read that she was
Sacked for any wrongdoing either, and as there are libel laws perhaps you should be careful what you write.

I think she was asked to resign, it was something to do with expenses I think. They make a great couple.

I don't know anything about Carrie Symonds being sacked for wrong doing but it would not surprise me as she does not seem to be a very moral person, in spite of her claim to being a Christian.

As for Boris Johnson he is the very model of a thoroughly immoral person- such a habitual liar he has been sacked at least twice for lying, he is sexually incontinent to the point of not seeming to know how many children he might have fathered and he will do anything that he thinks might serve his own ends, even conspiring to have someone assaulted - as Eddie Mair said to his face - "he is a nasty piece of works."

The great mystery is how anyone with a conscience could possibly vote for him.

lemongrove

How very old fashioned some of your comments are, not to mention both bitchy and wrong. Carrie Symonds was not a
‘Mistress’ but a girlfriend before she became engaged to Johnson. She had a responsible and well paid job and wasn’t ‘kept’ ( which is what a mistress would be.) Neither was he stringing her along just as an affair.Many men have affairs with somebody before they divorce their wives, if they loved their wives or had worthwhile marriages that wouldn't happen.

So my marriage wasn’t worthwhile
. In my experience a man won’t leave his wife unless he has someone else to go to whereas a woman is more likely to either stay in an unhappy marriage for the sake of the children or leave with no one else to go to. My husband wouldn’t have left if he hadn’t found someone else to go to. Someone who told me on the phone that I was a bad wife. And then left my husband to go back to her ex husband. That’s why I have no sympathy for the ‘other woman’. And I know that some people in here seem to have had happy divorces but it infuriates me when people that have had no experience of divorce and it’s impact on someone’s life seem to brush it off so lightly. And I’m still waiting for a response regarding Symonds being sacked from a previous job for wrongdoing.

Callistemon

^Symonds was his mistress pure and simple. That is the colloquial and accepted term for a woman having a sexual relationship with a married man^.

That got me pondering. Written down like that, it seems so sexist.

What is the term for a single man having an affair with a married woman I wonder?
Is there one?
Or is there no demeaning term?

I can't think of a word equivalent to mistress, cad was the nearest I could get but that is a bit outdated. On the other hand I think cuckold is a horrible thing to be called and I can't think of an equivalent word for a woman whose husband is having an affair.

I feel there is a reason somewhere like the mistress is at fault not the man, and with cuckold the man is looked down on where a woman in his place would get sympathy. Not sure as that's not quite it.

I agree lemon that what I say about his moral failings doesn't mean that everyone else thinks the same, but there is no denying that he has been sacked , twice, for lying; that is not opinion, it is fact and concerns me more than his morals. I don't like your comment about me coming across as a bit 'chapel', but there is nothing I can do about that. As is plain, I despair that so many people are prepared to overlook his behaviour in order to 'get things done', but do recognise, sadly, that Starmer may not have the 'charisma' to knock Johnson, however decent he (Starmer) may be personally. It says much about the shallow, vacuous nature of politics I think.

lemon presumably you don't believe then that behaving in a questionable way in one's private life indicates loose morals, which mean you will act in the same way in your political life? If you lie and cheat in private you will lie and cheat in public.

I love the way some posters make the point of how awful his previous wives and children must feel - as far as I am aware none of them have made any public statement, for all we know they could be very happy about it (I doubt if any are sobbing in a corner).

As for referring to Carrie as his mistress (such an outdated label) - wasn't he married to his first wife when he was having an affair with his second wife - so doesn't that mean she was a mistress too?

It has nothing to do with ‘victim blaming* Gill in fact you can also say that wives who have affairs do so for the same reasons.
I often wonder if posters are thinking of situations known to them, and then they equate all divorces/ affairs to that.
I don’t think Johnson is ‘vile’ but neither am I defending him, there is no need to, his private life is exactly that, his and private, and am not interested in it one jot.
All I care about is what he does politically.
I cannot understand what you mean by the sentence that I and anyone else are trying to ‘convince is a political issue?’
Also Gill it doesn’t matter how many times you say he is this, that or the other, it doesn’t make it true or that everyone thinks the same as you ( everyone doesn’t mean some posters on GN btw.)
Moral failings indeed! Sounds very chapel. I wonder if you have studied all past PM’s and their often colourful lives, or leaders in other countries, come to that.
For instance....I like Keir Starmer and he may be the most moral character you can ever come across ( or not) but he may turn out to be a lousy Labour Leader, and (if it happens) a lacklustre vacillating PM. All most people care about is not a PM’s morals but can he get the job done.

JaneJudge

Isn't Marina Wheeler quite the formidable woman?

I believe she is, but presumably couldn't take any more of his lies and deceit. I wonder if Johnson would have asked for a divorce if Marina hadn't thrown him out after years of his behaviour? We will never know of course, and only two people know what goes on in a marriage, but I suspect that had he not been thrown out, this romance with Carrie would have just been another in his long string of relationships, however much people want to pretend it is a great romantic happy ever after story.

I would never have thought of her as a shrinking violet. Perhaps Boris did meet his match and couldn't cope with it, she is probably far cleverer. I would say she has a formidable intelligence but she must have seen something attractive about him.

I remember her father who was a foreign correspondent and presenter of current affairs programmes.

Isn't Marina Wheeler quite the formidable woman?

Many men have affairs with somebody before they divorce their wives, if they loved their wives or had worthwhile marriages that wouldn't happen. Nice bit of victim blaming there lemon. I never fail to be astonished at just how far people will go to defend this vile man, how people will throw aside their own moral beliefs in an effort to convince the rest of us that this is a political issue. I have said this before, and will keep on saying it; Johnson is a disgusting individual, a liar, a cheat, adulterer, lazy etc., etc., and my despair at finding this moral degenerate elected as PM is nothing to do with his political beliefs, I would be equally despairing if these moral failings were of a Labour. Libera Democrat, SNP or Green politician. I am saddened that so many people are prepared to throw over their own moral code, the way they would expect their own family to behave, just because he is a Tory Brexit supporter.

There probably isnt Callistemon, in the same way I don't think there is a male version of bitchy. In my view the responsibility rests with the person who is married rather than the single person having an affair.

I am not judging actually, I am discussing the impact serial adultery has on children and on women as it tends to be women who pay the price in terms of raising children.

Symonds was his mistress pure and simple. That is the colloquial and accepted term for a woman having a sexual relationship with a married man.

That got me pondering. Written down like that, it seems so sexist.

What is the term for a single man having an affair with a married woman I wonder?
Is there one?
Or is there no demeaning term?

lemongrove

Callistemon

Happy to oblige!

Callistemon is that really Hugh Jackman? He looks different maybe it’s the hat. ?

hat lemongrove? hat?

That's an Akruba, mate.

Slightly better ( your last post!) ww ?

ww you really know nothing about his marriages, or for that matter Corbyn’s three marriages and love life. I believe in castigating politicians for their political wrong doings or lacklustre performance but not for private/ personal matters which none of us should judge.
Posters regularly condemn others for matters which they can know nothing about.

Add to that using tax payers money to fund one of his other mistresses, and the fact that he is constantly bemoaning the fact that he is hard up - how tacky- and you can see that apart from the myriad other character faults Johnson is an all round good egg.