Mridul Wadhwa - Male CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis

Chewbacca

^I still have no knowledge of any woman who has been given a male counsellor so if you have^ proof please post

For the hard of remembering, this was posted 24th August:

An excellent article by forwomen.scot; "The Real Crisis at Rape Crisis Scotland", covers the whole debacle. This paragraph is just heartbreaking: Last night I spent an hour on the phone with a heartbroken mother of a girl who was raped by a number of teenage boys and who did not get the support she needed because she was told that a woman counsellor could not be guaranteed. She developed PTSD.” As one woman who attended a meeting with the CEO of RCS wrote: “We reached out to be told that TW are not only women, but female too. The damage that meeting caused us. For so very long. The woman who should have helped us rode all over us. For men. And a fucked up belief in queer theory. What utter bastards. The lot of them.” Why is it so difficult in services that, according to Wadhwa, were “set up with the blood, sweat, and tears of women” and whose “workforce is reserved for women only” to guarantee that a female will be a *counsellor if needed?*

Yes, Chewbacca - hard to believe that a 'feminist' would have forgotten that harrowing account in the space of four days.

Ot could it be that it didn't even register, as (a) very little that we post seems to register, and (b) that it is about a 'natal woman', so her feelings are less important than those of a transwoman.

If you think MWs is a male view of rape and reframing trauma I do wonder what yours is? Her statement about this is consistent with all the feminist theories on rape therapy which say enabling the rape victim to see her rape as part of a sexist patriarchal society can help alleviate guilt and enable full recovery. She has said this is something which should be available at the end of counselling if the woman wants it

trisher

the average female is going to find this kind of language insulting and confusing.
we don't all go through life studying theoretical theories ad nauseum ......some of us live life on a far more fundamental level.
woman is raped and wants a normal down to earth talk but also emotional connecction in order to say what has happened. Not the latest BS theories
there is no getting through to you is there? Do you even understand really the concept of a safe space? It is to do with a feeling you do know about feelings though.

I am horrified at the intellectual gymnastics being performed to defend men who believe that they were meant to be women.
I am happy enough to accept some transwomen but not going to go against gut feeling that some of these people are using this concept to achieve some ambition they have. Usually this will be money and power. Like MW.
I don't know how you can claim that nothing said against MW is upheld. MW's own mouth condemns him.

Good post, pinkquartz.

Good post pinkquartz.

Good post pinkquartz

I have been pondering are we as a society mentally scaring men who become trans women?

Are we doing them an injustice by going along with the idea that by dressing as a women, thinking you are a woman that you can actually become a woman?

I have no idea what the statistics are regarding full surgical transition which is an enormous and painful undertaking, but I gather from a quick Google that most trans women do not go down that route. Along with the fact that as far as I can find out most transition post puberty so their face, hands etc are and will remain noticeably male.

Are we on society aiding and abetting what could be described as acting the in the role of a women without the since birth hormonal /chromosomal background?

I find this particularly relevant in sports, were below average male athletes on transition are being being allowed to compete as women suddenly become winners and record breakers. When all know that they are a male and have won over natal females?

Oops lots of typos, I was concentrating on trying to get over my ponderings in a written post.

Excellent post Pinkquartz

Good post PinkQuartz are men who want to become women just seeing it as a gateway to success, power and money which they would not have been able to achieve as men?

Patriarchy at any cost?

I think there is a risk of that, Grannygravy, and would like to see legislation to prevent direct profit from transitioning. Better still would be a ban on transpeople entering competitive sport (eg the weightlifter at the Olympics), but we have covered that on other threads recently and I acknowledge that there are difficulties

I think it’s another example of how the trans lobby are spoiling things for those who just want to quietly live as though they are members of the opposite sex.

A gay man is hounded out of a Manchester Pride event for wearing an LGB tshirt. The trans allies are so inclusive aren't they? The venom and enjoyment of their bullying is scary as well as disgusting.
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pinkquartz

*If you think MWs is a male view of rape and reframing trauma I do wonder what yours is? Her statement about this is consistent with all the feminist theories on rape therapy which say enabling the rape victim to see her rape as part of a sexist patriarchal society can help alleviate guilt and enable full recovery. She has said this is something which should be available at the end of counselling if the woman wants it*

trisher

the average female is going to find this kind of language insulting and confusing.
we don't all go through life studying theoretical theories ad nauseum ......some of us live life on a far more fundamental level.
woman is raped and wants a normal down to earth talk but also emotional connecction in order to say what has happened. Not the latest BS theories
there is no getting through to you is there? Do you even understand really the concept of a safe space? It is to do with a feeling you do know about feelings though.

I am horrified at the intellectual gymnastics being performed to defend men who believe that they were meant to be women.
I am happy enough to accept some transwomen but not going to go against gut feeling that some of these people are using this concept to achieve some ambition they have. Usually this will be money and power. Like MW.
I don't know how you can claim that nothing said against MW is upheld. MW's own mouth condemns him.

pinkquartz since when did a feminist theory of rape become intellectual gymnastics to defend men. It is in fact exactly the opposite. It blames the patriarchal society we live in for encouraging and developing rape, focusing as it does on male dominance. I would have imagined any self asserted feminist would know this.
Apparently though because a transwoman has promoted this it has now become a man's theory. That must be of great comfort to the women who worked at developing this theory and implementing it to ensure that women who were subjected to the trauma of rape not only recovered from that trauma but had the resources to prevent it happening again.
Still as long as you feel sympathetic to rape victims let's ditch all the theory and just feel for them. Honestly it's like applying a sticking plaster to a serious cut. It might help, the victim might survive but even if she does there will be a permanent scar.

Rosie51

A gay man is hounded out of a Manchester Pride event for wearing an LGB tshirt. The trans allies are so inclusive aren't they? The venom and enjoyment of their bullying is scary as well as disgusting.
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I think that the backlash is gaining momentum

Dear God Rosie51 he must have been terrified. All those men screaming "TRANS RIGHTS MATTER" at a Gay Pride rally. Yeah, they're really just wanting acceptance within society aren't they; and the radical ones are in the minority I suppose. They don't just want "to be accepted", they want to eradicate the freedom and rights of women and gay people. Both groups that have fought long and hard to be heard in their own right and have their own agency. When will everybody wake up to what's going on with them?

Chewbacca

Dear God Rosie51 he must have been terrified. All those men screaming "TRANS RIGHTS MATTER" at a Gay Pride rally. Yeah, they're really just wanting acceptance within society aren't they; and the radical ones are in the minority I suppose. They don't just want "to be accepted", they want to eradicate the freedom and rights of women and gay people. Both groups that have fought long and hard to be heard in their own right and have their own agency. When will everybody wake up to what's going on with them?

Chewbacca did you really look at the clip? A large majority of those shouting "Trans lives matter" were young women. Really this twisting of events to fit your particular view of things isn't at all feminist.
If I turned up at an event organised as a Black Lives Matter event in an EDL t-shirt I would expect to be rejected and that rejection to be vocal.

I can't engage with your twisted logic any more trisher, your stance on this matter worries me.

trisher do you really see a gay man at a pride rally in the same way as an EDL supporter at a BLM one? I think that shows how twisted your thinking has become, and how TRAs believe that their agenda can be imposed on any group, no matter how hard the groups have worked to gain acceptance in their own right. Now everyone has to bow to the TRAs.

I think (hope) that people are waking up to it, Chewbacca.

People (mainly women) who have traditionally been supportive of 'underdogs' were taken in by the idea that transpeople just wanted the right to live their best lives, and (maybe as a result of female socialisation that taught them to be accommodating and nurturing) went along with the narrative, until it became clear that the agenda was to push women aside - subtly at first, but increasingly aggressively until now anyone who speaks out against them is The Enemy and has to be crushed.

The trouble (for them) is that under the 'nice middle class left-leaning' exteriors, we are still the stroppy feminists that we always were. Even the young ones are seeing through the facade.

How is a gay man wearing a gay pride T-shirt at a gay pride rally like wearing an endless T-shirt at a Black Lives Matter rally.

What weird thinking. But anything to justify the trans lobby.

Rosie51 that’s appalling, but sadly unsurprising and it happening to only one man is no excuse, but should serve as a wake up call.
Doodledog good post and exemplifies exactly what’s happening.

EDL. Obviously.

I think if you attend an event (any event) organised under the umbrella of an inclusive orgainisation or theory wearing something that reveals you have real opposition to some of the people taking part and organising that event you shouldn't be surprised if the people taking part object to your presence. And that applies to any public event. How many people have been thrown out of political meetings over the years for holding opposing views to the speakers? It isn't new and it isn't anything to do with a person's sexuality. I have no doubt he knew exactly what he was doing when he chose to wear that t-shirt.

Come on trisher. Explain exactly what he had done to merit being hounded for wearing a n LGB T-shirt at a Gay Rally.

Art of the lesbian/gay erasure movement, that you won’t comment on, though I have raised it several times. Let’s pretend it doesn’t exist, eh?

Peasblossom

How is a gay man wearing a gay pride T-shirt at a gay pride rally like wearing an endless T-shirt at a Black Lives Matter rally.

What weird thinking. But anything to justify the trans lobby.

He may be a gay man (how do you know?). He is at a Pride rally which celebrates LGBTQ lives and is wearing a t-shirt from an organisation which not just questions but denies trans existence. Not surprisingly he wasn't welcomed.

Am I the only one to wonder if there is an unspoken reason for the ardent support for TW over women? Both on this and other threads, questions are ignored and information treated with deflections. Not suggesting, just wondering.

trisher so you would deny lesbian, gay and bisexual people the right to go to a Pride event if they're not fully signed up to the trans rights activists ideals? Your comparison with the EDL league is just revolting, and truly illustrates where your thinking belongs. That you aren't even the tiniest bit disturbed by that level of intimidating bullying says so much about your agenda. Such hateful behaviour towards another human should be intolerable to anyone with a grain of decency. I hope actions such as this will open many more eyes to the hatefest that is growing towards anyone who doesn't bow down to this new "religion" We'll be going back to the days when you could be fined for non Church attendance if we're not careful, only this will be extermination if you don't chant TWAW, TMAM. Believing sex is immutable and binary is a protected characteristic.